Heart Attack

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I think you're going to be stopping on the high speed turnoff and probably have CFR meet the aircraft because of the medical situation and probably get towed to the gate.

Would probably be the most expeditious method of getting medical attention because I don't know jack about taxiing a MD-88 and it would take me longer to figure out how to park it rather than having CFR meet the aircraft.
 
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I think you're going to be stopping on the high speed turnoff and probably have CFR meet the aircraft because of the medical situation and probably get towed to the gate.

Would probably be the most expeditious method of getting medical attention because I don't know jack about taxiing a MD-88 and it would take me longer to figure out how to park it rather than having CFR meet the aircraft.

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You are toooo modest, Doug.

Or as Kriste would say, "the modest one". hahahaha

Dave
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Well, you know the FO's role in ATL!
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"Gatekeeper, Delta 123 on the ground confirming gate A28..."

(silence)

"Gatekeeper, Delta 123 on the ground confirming gate A28..."

(silence)

"Gatekeeper, Delta 123 on the ground confirming gate A28..."

(silence)

"Gatekeeper, Delta 123 on the ground confirming gate A28..."

(silence)

"Aww, screw it, just go to A28"
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I don't know how it is at every airline, but the only airline I have any knowledge of international procedures would go a little like this:

-Remove incapacitated crew member from cockpit, place in aisle/galley floor somewhere where s/he is not blocking an exit

-Have the IRO (International Relief Officer, who is the 'relief' pilot who gives the pilots their breaks) come up and sit in the vacant seat. Each pilot is typed in the aircraft, so it doesn't really matter what seat who sits in. If the working F/O is in the left seat or if the IRO is in the left seat, they're all typed in the aircraft and can land & steer. A landing will be made at the nearest suitable airport.

-A FA is now in 'charge' of the incapatitated pilot, a PA will be made asking if there are any medical personnel onboard willing to volunteer their services. The EMK (Emergency Medical Kit) is a FAA mandated piece of equipment that can ONLY be opened and/or used by athorized persons holding the appropriate certificiates. I can't remember off the top of my head right now exactly who can open/use it, I'd have to look it up, it's been a few years since I've had to know this!

-Should there be no other medical personnel onboard, 2 FAs will, per their inflight manual, begin appropriate medical procedures. Most likely CPR, with the AED (Automatic External Defibrulator). CPR will be performed for 30 minutes, until the pax revives, or until relieved by emergency medical personnel on the ground. The FAA minimum FAs must be at their duty stations during landing, if there are more than the FAA minimum FAs staffed, the extra(s) may continue CPR during landing.

-Incapacitated crew member will be removed from aircraft by medical personnel as soon as possible after landing. The AED does not go with them! They are very expensive machines, and are the airline's property. The adhesive pads that are now affixed to the patient's chest can be unhooked from the AED.
 
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Heart AttaaahhhK??

DA BULLS!
DAAAAA BEARRRS

COACH DITKA!

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"How many heart attacks is that for you now?"
"That makes a baker's dozen Bob"

Ahh the glory days of SNL.
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My first response if I see a well dressed person suffer a heart attack on board would be to open his wallet with the announced intention of checking to find out his name, I'd remove any cash I could find. Next I'd have someone create a distraction so that I can get his watch, rings, etc. Then lets have a look at those shoes...

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I'm looking for a partner....we can clean house!!!
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Uh oh, my heart stopped ..........................................................................................................................Ah, there it goes.
 
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Well, you know the FO's role in ATL!
smile.gif


"Gatekeeper, Delta 123 on the ground confirming gate A28..."

(silence)

"Gatekeeper, Delta 123 on the ground confirming gate A28..."

(silence)

"Gatekeeper, Delta 123 on the ground confirming gate A28..."

(silence)

"Gatekeeper, Delta 123 on the ground confirming gate A28..."

(silence)

"Aww, screw it, just go to A28"
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Which is then followed by a call to the ramp tower, a pause, and "you got a gate change, B32, go back to ground".

(Making me enoy sitting here, drinking my coffee, letting my beard grow, and not having a trip on the schedule).

Dave
 
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I don't know how it is at every airline, but the only airline I have any knowledge of international procedures would go a little like this:

-Remove incapacitated crew member from cockpit, place in aisle/galley floor somewhere where s/he is not blocking an exit

-Have the IRO (International Relief Officer, who is the 'relief' pilot who gives the pilots their breaks) come up and sit in the vacant seat. Each pilot is typed in the aircraft, so it doesn't really matter what seat who sits in. If the working F/O is in the left seat or if the IRO is in the left seat, they're all typed in the aircraft and can land & steer. A landing will be made at the nearest suitable airport.

-A FA is now in 'charge' of the incapatitated pilot, a PA will be made asking if there are any medical personnel onboard willing to volunteer their services. The EMK (Emergency Medical Kit) is a FAA mandated piece of equipment that can ONLY be opened and/or used by athorized persons holding the appropriate certificiates. I can't remember off the top of my head right now exactly who can open/use it, I'd have to look it up, it's been a few years since I've had to know this!

-Should there be no other medical personnel onboard, 2 FAs will, per their inflight manual, begin appropriate medical procedures. Most likely CPR, with the AED (Automatic External Defibrulator). CPR will be performed for 30 minutes, until the pax revives, or until relieved by emergency medical personnel on the ground. The FAA minimum FAs must be at their duty stations during landing, if there are more than the FAA minimum FAs staffed, the extra(s) may continue CPR during landing.

-Incapacitated crew member will be removed from aircraft by medical personnel as soon as possible after landing. The AED does not go with them! They are very expensive machines, and are the airline's property. The adhesive pads that are now affixed to the patient's chest can be unhooked from the AED.

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Boy, if I ever have a heart attack I hope you are nearby! Sounds like you are ready to react! I had a passenger stop breathing a few months ago. When the back called my expert instructions were "Well get him to breathe!"

And thanks for letting me keep the adhesive pads! (Come on, I'd have sent the AED back, really).
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Dave
 
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Cockpit Management:
Use deadheading pilots, if possible.
Perform approach check well in advance.
Fly the aircraft from your normal seat.
Request assistance from ATC, if necessary, and make a coupled approach, if possible.


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What if the only deadhead pilot has reached his/her maximum amount of duty hours or flying time (I'm not sure how this is properly worded)? Can he/she still fly seeing as it's an emergency situation?

What are the regs?
 
In an emergency situation, you've got to do what you've got to do.

If I'm deadheading home on an MD-88 and something happens to the flight crew, the last thing on my mind are the FAA duty limits!
 
That's what I thought too. Just was wondering if there'd be a hardline FAA official coming around afterwards saying "nice job saving the day, doug. Now I'll just be taking your license if you don't mind..."

Just curious...
 
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In an emergency situation, you've got to do what you've got to do.

If I'm deadheading home on an MD-88 and something happens to the flight crew, the last thing on my mind are the FAA duty limits!

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what if you're deadheading on an A320??
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I believe that there is a loophole in the regs that allows a pilot to break any rule in order to ensure safety in an emergency.
 
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what if you're deadheading on an A320??
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Piece of cake. If there's another pilot, I can work radios and help configure the aircraft for landing.

If there are no pilots, well, I could probably effectively communicate with that airlines operations center to set up for a coupled approach and autoland at a properly equipped airport.
 
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In an emergency situation, you've got to do what you've got to do.

If I'm deadheading home on an MD-88 and something happens to the flight crew, the last thing on my mind are the FAA duty limits!

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what if you're deadheading on an A320??
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[/ QUOTE ]didn't you see Airplane? when the crew fell short and Elaine had to go in back to ask if there were any pilots on board and Stryker said he was one a long time ago then he goes into flashback and his seatmate hangs herself... and then he went up front to land the plane?! that's how it would probably work in real world... if the planes in trouble and there's someone that can land the puppy - then why woudln't the rules go out the window? in that case, you'd be a hero right? so, you wouldn't lose your license right?
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right???
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In an emergency situation, you've got to do what you've got to do.

If I'm deadheading home on an MD-88 and something happens to the flight crew, the last thing on my mind are the FAA duty limits!

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It is times like that duty time, not having your license on you, not being type rated, the glass of wine you had with your meal really are not important.

My mate who flews CRJs said he could probably get most airliners down. The systems are similar enough that with a bit of help he could get it on the ground. It might not be smooth, some overheads will probably open, but he reckons unless there where a pile of things going against him he could find the runway and stop the aircraft.

The real question is: Would you taxi the plane to the gate, or just shut down on the runway? How big of an emergency would you delcare? Would you tell the pax what is going on - or just fly the plane?
 
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