Ground Instructor endorsing private written test

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bb10pilot

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I reviewed AC 61-65E and it mentions the phraseology "CGI." I just wanted to make sure I was signing the endorsement properly.

[Signature] [01/24/13] [BB10Pilot] [XXXXXXX CGI]


Thanks!
 
I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think you're asking about this sample endorsement:
37. Aeronautical knowledge test: sections 61.35(a)(1), 61.103(d), and 61.105.
I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the required training in accordance with section 61.105. I have determined he/she is prepared for the (name the knowledge test).
/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05
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Since the BGI doesn't have an expiration, just leave that part off.

Also, note that if you do not hold a flight instructor certificate, you must be in compliance with 14 CFR 61.217 in order to endorse someone for the knowledge test.
 
Correct, that's how I sign. And for those too lazy to look it up:

§ 61.217 Recent experience requirements.​

The holder of a ground instructor certificate may not perform the duties of a ground instructor unless the person can show that one of the following occurred during the preceding 12 calendar months:
(a) Employment or activity as a ground instructor giving pilot, flight instructor, or ground instructor training;
(b) Employment or activity as a flight instructor giving pilot, flight instructor, or ground instructor ground or flight training;
(c) Completion of an approved flight instructor refresher course and receipt of a graduation certificate for that course; or
(d) An endorsement from an authorized instructor certifying that the person has demonstrated knowledge in the subject areas prescribed under § 61.213(a)(3) and (a)(4), as appropriate.
 
Yes, I just wanted to make sure the entire signature looked correct. I'm definitely complying with 61.217, so no worries on that! Thanks guys.
 
I always signed it with the applicable type. For Private/Commercial/ATP: AGI, Instrument: IGI
 
mojo6911 said:
You should sign it with your certificate number. In the case of a GI, it ends with CGI. Just like you wouldn't sign XXXXCFII
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Yeah, I guess I should have been more specific. It definitely includes the certificate number :D
 
p1l07m4n said:
Yeah, I guess I should have been more specific. It definitely includes the certificate number :D
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That's not what I mean. I mean, look at your actual certificate number. It is a number, followed by 3 letters (for instructors). My commercial certificate number is 123456. My instructor certificate number is 123456CFI. I hold all 3 instructor ratings, but the certificate number is still only 123456CFI.
 
mojo6911 said:
That's not what I mean. I mean, look at your actual certificate number. It is a number, followed by 3 letters (for instructors). My commercial certificate number is 123456. My instructor certificate number is 123456CFI. I hold all 3 instructor ratings, but the certificate number is still only 123456CFI.
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Oh, I get what you are saying now. Sorry, it took me a second on that one. I see what you mean. Good call. What mojo6911 said!
 
mojo6911 said:
That's not what I mean. I mean, look at your actual certificate number. It is a number, followed by 3 letters (for instructors). My commercial certificate number is 123456. My instructor certificate number is 123456CFI. I hold all 3 instructor ratings, but the certificate number is still only 123456CFI.
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I don't think CGI #s have anything after it. Mine is the same as my CPL
 
I didn't realise that as soon as you are a CGI you must have a .217 endorsement to exercise it, there is no grace period according to FAA legal.

Alex.

(PS - so if i signed someone off for a retest, nothing can now be done) - don't know if anyone else was caught by that? I guess I can immediately take a FIRC, but it doesn't work retroactively.
 
ahw01 said:
I can immediately take a FIRC, but it doesn't work retroactively.
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If you were a CFI then you were automatically current as a GI. So no need to take FRIC or worry about it. If you were not a CFI and not current then it is my understanding that you cannot take a FIRC and that sign off is technically invalid.
 
I know, too late now.

They need to find a way to include legal interpretations in the text of FAR updates. If I wasn't curious I would never have known, and I want to do it right, but there seems so much room for interpretation in some of these things. This was in 2010 and I'm sure the FIRC option for .217 wasn't available then.

Alex.
 
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