Good News, Bad News on Pilot Hiring

tonyw

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Here are some excerpts from a Wall Street Journal article.

The airline industry is showing stirrings of new life: More than 150 carriers are recruiting pilots, the largest being Southwest Airlines and America West Airlines, according to placement firm Air Inc. Cargo lines, discount carriers and regional airlines affiliated with major carriers -- from JetBlue Airways and AirTran Airways to Atlantic Coast Airlines to Mesa Airlines -- also are adding new jobs.

The big carriers have been slow to rehire their pilots, whom the airlines are obligated to hire back first. Reeling from huge losses, the major airlines have cut their capacity and handed over more of their flights to regional partners that have lower labor costs and fly smaller planes better suited to diminished demand. U.S. regional airlines last year accounted for 113 million passenger enplanements, according to consultants the Velocity Group, up from 85 million in 2000.

Meanwhile, many carriers are finding the experience level of their applicant pool is far beyond their minimum requirements, in part because of the glut of furloughed pilots and industry slowdown. Southwest, which expects to add 400 pilot jobs this year, says it has résumés from "thousands" of pilots. This month the airline started holding interviews for the first time in two years, says Amy Webb, who oversees pilot hiring at the Dallas-based carrier. A first-year captain at Southwest earns about $143,000 annually.

JetBlue Airways plans to add 220 pilots this year and 440 next year and again in 2006, says Dean Melonas, director of pilot recruitment. The discount carrier has 9,000 pilot applications that meet its minimum requirements of 1,500 flight hours. "Pilots are coming into our training classes with twice our minimums or more," he says. JetBlue pilots start at $52,000 and a first-year captain takes in $120,000

Regional SkyWest Airlines, St. George, Utah, requires a minimum of 1,000 flight hours of experience, but most of its new hires have double that amount on their log books, says Camielle Ence, manager of crew resources for SkyWest. And because SkyWest's new contract to fly for UAL Corp.'s United requires it to hire some laid-off United pilots, SkyWest has added 120 of them. "The level of experience is higher than our usual crop," says Ms. Ence. "They have 6,000 to 7,000 hours -- the senior people. The younger ones have 4,000 to 5,000 hours." Skywest starts its pilots at $19,400 a year. A 10-year captain flying a regional jet for SkyWest earns a little less than $80,000.


Airlines are Hiring -- It's Good News, Bad News for Pilots

Did I just see the Wall Street Journal actually put some research into the figures for pay? Holy cow, they didn't put anything about "overpaid" $300K pilots at the legacy carriers! And, oh, my God, did they put something in there about how little the folks at the regionals make?

What's this world coming to? Although I'll bet someday, I will turn to the editorial pages and see another editorial slamming the "dinosaurs" and their "militant unions" talking about $300K pilots.
 
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So what's the bad news?

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You beat me to it....

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That everyone's hiring people at way over their minimums, like more than double the minimums. That means if you want to get a job at a regional, you'll need 2,000+ hours.

And that the jobs aren't at the majors where the pay is better.

I couldn't put the whole article up there, it would have been too long. I guess I only put the good out there.
 
i think the part where it talks about all their applicants having twice their posted minimums. what i got out of it was that they airlines are starting to hire, but they have more than enough really high time people to fill the few hindred positions.
 
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So what's the bad news?

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I would think the fact that only 220 out of 9,000 applicants being hired would qualify as bad news too.
 
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That means if you want to get a job at a regional, you'll need 2,000+ hours.

And that the jobs aren't at the majors where the pay is better.

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Welcome to the "good 'ole days" guys.
Flash back to the early '80s.

Opening for Be99 First Officers at xxx dba, US Air Express.
3000TT
1000Multi
200 Instrument
pay:$12,000

Opening for 737-100/200 First Officers at US Air.
6000TT
3000Multi
pay:$20,000


By the way, I found an old Kit Darby propaganda flyer from 1986 a few weeks ago. Boy was that funny to read. 42,000 pilots needed immediately!
Yea, right. He didn't mention that the airlines would phase out the 3-pilot aircraft, decreasing the need by 33%. Oh, but retirees!?....Wrong again. They forgot to tell you that Pan Am and Eastern would go out of business adding about 20,000 more pilots to the market. (Kinda like now, with TWA, USAir, etc.)
 
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By the way, I found an old Kit Darby propaganda flyer from 1986 a few weeks ago. Boy was that funny to read.

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I showed the article to some of the folks I work with and they just said, oh, did they quote Kit Darby in it? I said yeah, and they just laughed.
 
Just for clarification....
The quote about needing 42,000 pilots was from Kit D. Yea, I laughed too. Even more than when I read it the first time in 1986.

The figures I posted were just some I remember, not from FAPA. Those were approx the averages in the early 80s. If you were lucky, your turboprop commuter would have been pressurized
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What I find particularly amusing is the thought that, if the airlines did need 42,000 pilots NOW, why on Earth would I need any help from Kit??
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Ahh! That's our Kit Darby!:)

There's a BILLIONjobs out there, coming out of the seams, but you've got to purchase MY book to find out where!

Kit was actually one of my inspirations for starting Jetcareers. In the early 1990's the industry was rife with what I consider 'snake oil', 'Get Hours Quick' schemes and 'instead of me answering your question, buy my book'-stuff going on.
 
I'm waiting for him to use that Wall Street Journal article. "The regionals are hiring 2,000 hour pilots, but I can get you hired with only 1,000! Just buy my book, attend my seminar, and pay for my new yacht."
 
Would somebody mind posting the whole article? I am writing a paper for english class and this would come in really handy.
 
Do you think this is becoming the case all over the world, or only in the US?
I heard Cathay Pacific lifted their minimums too...

Cheers
 
It's in today's print edition, on page B1. If I posted the whole thing, it would be a violation of copyright laws so I'm not going to do it. Plus I already posted a lot of it and posting any more would make it one of those posts from hell that Doug or Kristie or Mike or Copaman or Ed would have to edit.
 
Caf, UND has a library, and I think they have papers there for us to read. Maybe even a subscription to the Times, so go find the library. I know, it took me a year too!!
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Just messing with ya, but the Fritz Library does have the Times.
 
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A 10-year captain flying a regional jet for SkyWest earns a little less than $80,000

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Does that mean after flying in the left seat for 10 years one will make less than 80K or is this based on 10 years with the company including some right seat time? yikes

This is the craziest industry in the world. Who else spends so much money and time on training to make 21K?Sometimes I wish I never took that disco flight. Maybe I can pay someone 5k to make me hate flying.
 
On the regional note, anyone ever heard of regionals hiring foreigners in the middle east?
Could be opportunity there in GA too?

Cheers
 
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