Gold Seal question

vikingair

vikingair

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I'm a bit confused about the requirements for a Gold Seal certificate.
My first time signoff/pass rate is 9/7 and counting the retests (two) my total signoff/pass rate is 11/9. They were all foreign contract students (Chinese) so while I'd like it to be higher I won't beat myself up about it.

I understand that the two retests don't count towards the Gold Seal and I need one more fresh sign off/pass to qualify (bringing my first time signoff/pass rate to 10/8)

Does it hurt me to sign off a student for a retest who failed the first time with another instructor or would that count to lower my total percentage?

Trained and recommended at least 10 applicants for certificates or ratings, and at least 80 percent of these applicants must have passed the flight test on their first attempt;
 
So I get that..I really do. I can take 1000 students who have failed with another CFI, retrain them and have them pass and it doesn't do squat. I would have 1009 signoffs, 1007 passes and still only 7 first time passes and 2 failures. Would that give me a percentage of .006?
 
From my understanding I'd say you need the 80% on first attempt of people you sign off for their first attempt. If you sign somebody else who failed their first time, but you were not the original instructor (you didn't "sign" their first application), it doesn't really effect it any way. In fact, when I did mine less than a year ago, its all on iacra now, and the FSDO guy just wanted me to show him proof of my pass rate which I did using a spread sheet I made. Like any reg I'm sure you can read into it as much as you want, and it can be interpreted many ways, but bottom line, the FAA will want to see that you signed off at least 10 people for their first checkride, and they made it through the first time. That's the vibe around here at least. Haha, but I can't say that IS the way it is.
 
If it is your first sign off with them, then it counts toward your gold seal. That is what the FSDO told me years ago.
 
MFT1Air said:
Let me please carry the question a step further. How long is required for a newly minted CFI or CFII to sign off on either a CFI or CFII?

Is there a time requirement?
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There is and there isn't..61.195(H) Generally you need to have held your instructor cert for 24 months but there are provisions that allow you to give the ground and/or flight training with less than 24 months
 
Generally, for any initial CFI training, you have to be the whole 2 year 200 dual given. After that, anything goes. If you got your CFI yesterday, and then got your CFII today, you could train your buddy who got his CFI today to get his CFII. Its only the initial that has the tricky rules.
 
particlem86 said:
Generally, for any initial CFI training, you have to be the whole 2 year 200 dual given. After that, anything goes. If you got your CFI yesterday, and then got your CFII today, you could train your buddy who got his CFI today to get his CFII. Its only the initial that has the tricky rules.
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Yup, my first signoff was a CFII add-on
 
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