Go-arounds
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Minnesota_Flyer
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Huh? What's a no-fault go-around policy?
DE727UPS
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HAHA....only at UPS....
We had some....incidents....where the crew should have made the decision to go around sooner. What we did was change our stabilized approach criteria to be stabilized at 1000 AGL rather than 500. Not sure what other airlines use.
The no fault go around is to insure the average line guy that going around really won't get you into trouble with UPS management. That we shouldn't be under pressure to sacrifice safety to "get the job done"...ala Southwest at BUR. There is a certain amount of expectation to provide an on time operation at UPS....it's part of the culture. Sometimes this can lead to pilots feeling pressure to do things they shouldn't do. To their credit...UPS instituted the no fault go around policy to reinforce that there is no reason to continue an unstabilized approach and that going around should always be considered an option if things aren't just quite right.
I once had a wise old 727 check airman tell every approach was planned as a go around with landing as a possibility.
As professional pilots we are cocked to get the job done and land the plane...get to the gate...get the pax/boxes where they need to be. Go arounds are seen as a failure. The no fault go around is UPS's attempt to encourage us to not see a go around as a failure.
Basically, no fault go around says we won't be pressured or accused for going around for any reason. It it doesn't look right...go around.
We had some....incidents....where the crew should have made the decision to go around sooner. What we did was change our stabilized approach criteria to be stabilized at 1000 AGL rather than 500. Not sure what other airlines use.
The no fault go around is to insure the average line guy that going around really won't get you into trouble with UPS management. That we shouldn't be under pressure to sacrifice safety to "get the job done"...ala Southwest at BUR. There is a certain amount of expectation to provide an on time operation at UPS....it's part of the culture. Sometimes this can lead to pilots feeling pressure to do things they shouldn't do. To their credit...UPS instituted the no fault go around policy to reinforce that there is no reason to continue an unstabilized approach and that going around should always be considered an option if things aren't just quite right.
I once had a wise old 727 check airman tell every approach was planned as a go around with landing as a possibility.
As professional pilots we are cocked to get the job done and land the plane...get to the gate...get the pax/boxes where they need to be. Go arounds are seen as a failure. The no fault go around is UPS's attempt to encourage us to not see a go around as a failure.
Basically, no fault go around says we won't be pressured or accused for going around for any reason. It it doesn't look right...go around.
