Gilbert AZ Plane Crash into House

Interesting scenario. Pilot bails out of burning plane but it lands in a neighborhood. Never flown a plane I could bail out on. Are there guidelines/regs on this as far as safety?
 
At night and most likely below 5000 it was probably landing on something anyway. Fire and in flight break up were the two main things that would cause me to jump. Not sure of regs and guidelines, but if he jumped there was a good reason. No second guessing from me anyway.
 
averettpilot said:
At night and most likely below 5000 it was probably landing on something anyway. Fire and in flight break up were the two main things that would cause me to jump. Not sure of regs and guidelines, but if he jumped there was a good reason. No second guessing from me anyway.
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Definitely not second guessing the guy. Sounds like he was burned inside the plane before jumping.
 
AAPalmTree said:
Interesting scenario. Pilot bails out of burning plane but it lands in a neighborhood. Never flown a plane I could bail out on. Are there guidelines/regs on this as far as safety?
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This is part of the Cirrus discussion. Once you pull the BRS, where is it going to go?

91.307 & 91.303 have requirements on when parachutes are required and where to operate acrobatically. One leads to the other "If you're going to do A, then you must follow B." It does not have any guidance on the actual bailing out as that is often type specific.


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AAPalmTree said:
Interesting scenario. Pilot bails out of burning plane but it lands in a neighborhood. Never flown a plane I could bail out on. Are there guidelines/regs on this as far as safety?
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It's one of those tough things that even though necessary, you retain ultimate PIC responsibility for where that plane goes, even though the totality of the circumstances may not have been under your control. One of the worst-case scenarios was the Indianapolis crash into the Ramada Inn, where the pilot pointed the jet to a clear area during the extremely low altitude ejection and punched out, but the resultant loss of weight from him and the seat departing, were enough to allow the jet to maneuver away into clipping a bank building and going straight into the Ramada.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/dead-stick-leads-to-a-dead-end.113095/#post-1560527
 
He could easily be hit with careless and reckless. WTF ever... Night fire in an airplane and I have a chute, I am getting the F out.
 
Inverted said:
He could easily be hit with careless and reckless. WTF ever... Night fire in an airplane and I have a chute, I am getting the F out.
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Night fire with controllable plane? Probably have a good chance to get it down somewhere controlled.

With an uncontrollable plane? Tough call. Got to save yourself indeed, but may also have to live with the death of innocents on the ground on your conscience for the rest of your life.
 
MikeD said:
It's one of those tough things that even though necessary, you retain ultimate PIC responsibility for where that plane goes, even though the totality of the circumstances may not have been under your control. One of the worst-case scenarios was the Indianapolis crash into the Ramada Inn, where the pilot pointed the jet to a clear area during the extremely low altitude ejection and punched out, but the resultant loss of weight from him and the seat departing, were enough to allow the jet to maneuver away into clipping a bank building and going straight into the Ramada.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/dead-stick-leads-to-a-dead-end.113095/#post-1560527
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When my dad flew in the AF in the 50's, the rule was punch out, screw where the plane went and what it hit. Everything else was considered secondary and expendable to the pilot. School, bank, house, church, it didn't matter. He bailed out twice. Once out of an F-86, and once out of an F-100.
 
Cptnchia said:
When my dad flew in the AF in the 50's, the rule was punch out, screw where the plane went and what it hit. Everything else was considered secondary and expendable to the pilot. School, bank, house, church, it didn't matter. He bailed out twice. Once out of an F-86, and once out of an F-100.
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Wow. Sounds like most unions stance toward WB CA's.
 
If I had a chute on, and the plane I was in caught fire and it was at night, I'm punchin' unless I have a very clear and immediate place to land. Lots of stuff at night that you can't see, so putting the airplane down somewhere at night especially if it's a featureless night is exteremly dangerous and risky.
 
Hacker15e said:
In an in-flight fire, "controllable" is a manner of interpretation.
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True. Hence why not waiting until a necessarily "suitable airport" to land at, and likely picking, "workable landing spot" may be necessary.

In the helo world, in addition to Land as Soon as Possible/Practical, there's also EPs with Land Immediately, as in what's right below you right now or in the immediate area, which this EP falls under for us .
 
A wing fire in a 182 has to be extraordinarily rare. I really have to wonder about the cause of that.
 
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