Getting out of LE and into Aviation

kevc1148

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I'm new here and have read a number of the posts about changing careers and getting into flying. I am currently employed in law enforcement and have reached what is known in our field as "burnout." I know I want to fly and have had lessons some years ago, I am contemplating starting back again. Do pilots ever get "burned out?" Also, I am wondering what opportunities are available in this profession to fly professionally (either in regional cariers or at the majors) while living in an area that is not a major hub (orf). I know there will be quite an investment of both time and $$$, and the pay will be relatively low at first. I don't feel like I need to make 100K/yr to be happy though. I'd just enjoy being in the air and making a decent wage. I'm used to low pay and crappy hours with my job as a police officer and so is my family, I just figured I only have one life and should probably be doing something I like.
Any thoughts or suggestions on this would be much appreciated!
-Kevin
 
LE Aviation

hey kevc1148! First off, welcome to jetcareers!

I know you said you were burnt out with your current job, but have you ever thought about LE aviation? I did some flight training at an airport that the local LE hangered their aircraft and helicopters. They were always busy flying missions or training. I'm not sure about the pay or benefits, but i bet they're about the same, or better than what you have now. I do know that they only hired internally...that's something you have working for you. And...at least you know where you'll fly out of every day!
 
rickyrhodesii said:
I know you said you were burnt out with your current job, but have you ever thought about LE aviation? Iquote]

This is actually a pretty great idea; assuming you like the sense of purpose your current job gives you, you could probably get a CFII or something similar in rotary on your own to make youself competitive within your organization. As I investigated different flying jobs, a lot of LE agencies need aviators.
 
Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately the city I work for doesn't have an air unit and most likely will not have one before I reach retirement age. I have considered sticking with this job while I pursue my ratings with the local FBO. This way I will still have income and when I reach CFI I could potentially get on with the school where I trained on a part time basis. I don't need to go from 0 hrs to ATP over a period of 6 months so I am prepared to take several years to do this. I just feel like I should've done this 5 or 10 years ago, I'm almost 34 now with a family and it is no doubt going to be that much more difficult, but I think it will be worth it in the end.
Thanks again..
 
You're in Norfolk, VA (ORF)? I am based in ORF and live in Virginia Beach, and fly for AWAC. It's a junior base and just opened up in October, however as with everything in life things will change. Who knows if it will be around in the future.

If you don't live where you are based, you must commute to your domicile (pilots can ride commercial flights for free if there are open seats). That can sometimes be done the day of a trip however not always, and that takes its toll in the long run.

When does your pension kick in? Do you own your own home? Can you own it by the time you start flying? Guys that have pensions (ex-mil for example) have a much easier time doing this job. Also, people that own their own home outright also seem MUCH less stressed. I've flown with plenty of "career changers" who are a lot happier, IMO, than those that jump into it from college on (I am one of those).

For a regional - count on about $20k first year before taxes. Second year, $30k or so with a jet regional. It gets a little better from there, but not much until you upgrade, which could take years. If you are ok with this pay and financially can do it, then you wouldn't have a problem IMO.

One other thing - oil isn't going to go down in price. I am constantly looking for business opportunities so I don't have to depend on this job, because I fear in the next few years transportation in the US will decline considerably due to increasing oil prices. Food for thought...
 
Kev. Im in the same boat as you I just started my training Im 32 Im prepared for the years it will take Im sure it will be worth it. I grew up in Virginia ( Manassas ) live in Vegas now. The Va troopers fly choppers and Cessnas I believe. You also live at the beach, you can fly banners on your days off during the summer months to build hours. I really wish I still lived back there. More opps to build hours.
 
I too worked in law enforcement, for four years before I changed careers. About the 100th barking dog complaint, or juvenile problem call (also known as lack of parenting skills call) it does start to get old. Wheels up gave some great advice, AWAC would be a great place in the future to fly, especially with a base in your home town. A couple of things I might throw out to you. It will take a many of years in the aviaition industry before you get back to the same pay you are making now. Further you won't have nearly the vacation time. However if you work the schedule right it can be somewhat close. The only other advice I would offer would be to obtain your private license while you are still working as a LEO. This would enable you to make a decisoin about whether or not you want to pursue a career in aviation while getting some initial experience. As for your burn out question, I think aviation is what you make of it. However, when I am flying I don't have the burn out feeling like I did when I was working the road. Best of luck.
 
Hi. I am actually thinking of getting into law enforcement aviation and fly. I have researched and found some departments that fly fixed wing. I will have to leave my current state, but I am single with no kids so its cool. But I haved to be a regular cop for at least a year which is no problem since I am currently a police officer now.
 
Law Enforcement aviation would be the pinnacle for those of us who are cops/pilots and want to stay in the LE field. But coming from a department who doesn't have a unit (but tried hard to get one and hopefully will prior to my retirement in 7 years), let me enlighten everyone as to the requirements.

For those that want to follow this career path, find a large department that has a long, established aviation unit. I work for Glendale, Arizona (390 cops for 250K citizens). Our brothers to the east (Phoenix) have a very well respected and quality air unit that is currently replacing their entire fleet. To even begin to think about testing for their unit you have to have been an officer for a minimum three years (may be more like five). However, I think the average time to get on the unit is over seven years. Most of those guys have been on for well over 10 years and several are well over 20 years.

Everyone still has to pay their dues. I have been with Glendale for almost 13 years. If I wanted to go to Phoenix, I would have to start the clock over again and wait three years to test (when an opening exists) and then hope for the best. The pilots in Phoenix are awesome and help us out all the time. Their guys are known throughout the world in the LE/Aviation community.

They are getting all A-Stars and Agustas now. My only regret was not testing with them way back when.

Most agencies pull from within. Cop first for several years working a beat (and you better have a kick @$$ reputation), then test for the unit. Some require the officer to have a certain license (private or comm) and others will train you from 0 hours.

Check out www.alea.org for some more info on this.
 
I was in your same boat 5 years ago, when I was 35. I currently work for a regional as an F.O. and am glad I did it but have a few regrets.

First, the bad:
The pay is O.K. but management REALLY abuses new hires on reserve. After the shine wears off, it is still just "a job" Nothing magical about it anymore. It is VERY unstable. You may move to another state to get a job, only to have the base close 3 months after you move there (as happened to me) you may make 30k after your first year, and then get furloughed, be out of work for months and then start over from scratch.

I fly with alot of "burned-out" captains and I can't help but think that might be me in a few years. The schedule sometimes really wears on you being away from home days in a row. My sim partner was really upset during our training because his 8 month old boy didn't recognise him after we were in training for 3 months. You could tell it hurt him.

Read this very carefully!!
If you are not willing to move or commute long distant to work DO NOT, DO NOT get into this industry. You will most likely spend A LOT of time and money to obtain all the hours and experience to get a job and probably will find yourself in debt. You can't put all your eggs in one basket with the plan just to work for the local FBO an an instructor or the local regional as an FO.

Here is a note for the "older" guys. You depend on your medical to keep flying. If you loose it you are done!! So you have to be in pretty good shape. If you have a heart attack or back problem, lose your eye...ANYTHING you may have to look for another job. (yes, I know there are pilots who have had heart attacks/HBP/lost eyes/diabetes but can be a long hard process to get a waiver)


Now good parts:
It can be a rewarding and fun job. If you love to fly It beats ANY day job or cubicle in the world. The crews are mostly fun.

The travel bennies are great. Been to Europe 10 times in 2 years. With proper bidding, you can turn 7 days off into 15-17 at some companies!!

Fairly satisfying and rewarding, income potential is O.K. But you have to have a patient supportive wife. If not I guarantee she will leave.


My regrets:
I should have gone back to school and become a P.A. or Radiographer (I still may) Much more stable. I could have bought a plane to satisfy my love of flying. I could instruct or do aerial photography.

All I'm saying is that if you are getting into flying for the money, forget it!! I kept in touch with alot of the people I met along the way and none of them are quite as satisfied as we thought we would be with this career choice.

You are following the correct first steps. Don't listen to me. Ask as many pilot as you can find about their choice and do LOTS of research before doing anything. I mean lots, maybe 6-8 months worth.
 
Is there an aviation unit in your police department? You should go talk to them and ask them about hiring minimums. I think that you will better off flying for the police dept. than fly for a flight school or an airline. You got a govt. job with stability and lots of great benefits. I am in the Air Force reserve and have my cilivian job in the postal service. I have been weighing the pros and cons of going to flight school and then getting a job with the airlines. The good things that I can say about the military and the postal service is that there is job stability. The same can be said for the police dept. By they way, I took that police officer's test for the NYPD. I got a high score and was placed on the eligible list. My dad is a co in the NYPD. I hope that this helps. Good luck.
 
Back in 2000, AOPA had an awesome article on a female LAPD Police Officer/Pilot. She had Comm/Multi/Heli/MEI/Fixed/........basically every type of rating that there was prior to being hired with LAPD. She had to cut her teeth in a beat for 4 years before she was even eligible to apply for the Air Unit. Once she got there, she upgraded to Pilot from Observer very quick, but she still had to pay her dues. It was a fantastic article if anyone can find it. Those of you interested in LE/Aviation would love it.

My advice is to go with a very large agency that has a large air unit. They are less likely to go away with a budget crunch than the smaller agencies. Some of the large ones that have well established units are:

Phoenix, Tucson, San Diego, Los Angeles, LASO, Border Patrol, CHP (though already have to have 1500 TT 500 Turbine Helicopter and have been a patrolman for 3 years), Dallas, Houston, etc......

Like I said before, it would be the best of both worlds. Something to think about. Benefits are fantastic, pay is very good, just isn't the job for everyone (cop part). And it will change you..... Just ask my wife....:)
 
Here's the Article!

The A-Team
LAPD's Air Support Division tracks the bad guys
By Mark Huber (From AOPA Pilot, August 2000.)

This is the city—Los Angeles, California. Four hundred and sixty-eight square miles of the worst automobile traffic and crime this side of Bangkok. The police department's annual budget is $1.5 billion and it employs more than nine thousand officers. Eighty of them—including reservists and trainees—are assigned to the Air Support Division, patrolling in helicopters and flying in some of the most congested and complex airspace in the United States. These are their stories.

Westwood, near the north edge of the Santa Monica Airport, 6:10 p.m.
A dozen black-and-white patrol cars and three K-9 dog teams have established a perimeter search in this residential neighborhood, looking for a burglary suspect believed to be fleeing through the backyards. Air 8, N213LA, is called in.

Police officer/pilot Angela Krieg, 37, responds at 110 knots and 1,100 feet, flying her turbine-powered Eurocopter A-Star 350B1 into a classic approach for a left-hand orbit; maximum torque and maximum airspeed, kicking in coordinated left pedal, then aft cyclic and down collective. "You come in as fast as you can to a call, then get on the bad guys tight, sector the safety zones, and compensate for winds."

She strives for smoothness, watching Technical Flight Officer (TFO) Mark Bolanos, 33, in the left seat beside her, making sure his head doesn't snap back too fast as she enters the pattern. Bolanos is already pumping surplus adrenaline, shifting his focus from the laminated Thomas Guide map cards on his lap to the scene below, and oblivious to Krieg's control inputs.
Krieg sets up for 60 kt and 500 feet agl, the minimum height-velocity envelope she needs if the engine dies and she has to "go into the street," the departmental euphemism for autorotation. Orbiting at speed also decreases the odds of taking sniper fire or being blinded by laser pointers or spotlights aimed by people with questionable intentions. In Krieg's mind she has already divided the perimeter into four quadrants. In L.A., the prevailing winds are usually out of the southwest, except when the Santa Anas blow, and then they come out of the northeast.

The Santa Anas are howling tonight. Two hours ago, at roll call, they were gusting at up to 38 kt across the rooftop helipad at Piper Tech, home of the Los Angeles Police Department's (LAPD) Air Support Division (ASD). "It's going to be miserable up there tonight," warned the watch commander, Lt. Dwight Crosley. Aided by graphic tales of past passengers' digestive misfortunes on similar nights, thoughtfully told by several ASD pilots present, he successfully dissuaded a pair of beat cops from taking their scheduled ride-alongs.
After an hour of waiting, the winds abate to 22 kt, still a bit brisk for the Bell 206s and 407s, but no problem for the A-Star. Krieg and Bolanos launch. But even at this reduced wind strength, the usual survival math is irrelevant. If the A-Star fails on the wrong part of the orbit, there probably will not be enough time to spin 180 degrees into the wind. Then the only thing standing between Krieg, Bolanos, and cremation will be the wire-strike kits—two oversize serrated triangles affixed above the cockpit and below the nose that are designed to slice power lines—and the off-chance that they might make a field or a parking lot.

Krieg practices for this regularly, honing her autorotation skills. When an engine fails in a single-engine fixed-wing airplane, you pitch for best glide and pick a field. In a single-engine helicopter, you pitch down, let the slipstream build main rotor rpm, and flare. There is less time, less control, and the survival odds are worse. But at ASD they do them a tad different than in the civilian world. They do full autos, all the way to the ground. They do autos in out-of-ground-effect (OGE) hovers. And they do them at night. "It's just the type of flying we do," explains Krieg. "The training is so much better here."

ASD is currently in the process of converting to a single type of patrol helicopter—the Eurocopter AS350B2—from the three they currently fly, the AS350B1, Bell 407, and Bell 206B. (Special Weapons and Tactics—SWAT —has a UH-1H, and three surplus Army OH-58s are used by ASD for pilot training.) The 407s were acquired in 1997 to replace ancient and grounded Bell JetRangers that had acquired 32,000 hours each. Under the new equipment scheme, the A-Stars will be retired after 15,000 hours.
Krieg has been with ASD for 11 years and flies them all. In her opinion, autorotating the A-Star requires a higher skill level. "The [Bell 206B] JetRangers are a lot more forgiving in autorotations than either the 407s or the A-Stars. You can get lower in the JetRangers because of their high-inertia rotor systems." But the A-Star offers better payload, ergonomics, and speed, and ASD already has considerable experience with the five B1s they operate—not all of it happy.

In 1991 LAPD pilot Gary Howe and TFO Randy Campe were killed when their A-Star crashed into a vacant lot after Howe took evasive action to avoid hitting a school. The resulting fire killed a furniture salesman standing 100 yards away. ASD's B1s were grounded for six weeks during the post-crash investigation that focused on a suspected problem with the engine.
Overall, however, ASD has an excellent safety record and has been accident free for more than 140,000 hours, well above the national average for helicopter operators.

The history, the variables, and the training, all run through Krieg's mind as we orbit in search of the burglar. N213LA glides through its orbits. TFO Bolanos fires up the forward-looking infrared (FLIR—a sensor that delineates heat, clearly showing where the bad guys are hiding) and communicates with the various ground units via dedicated police department frequencies. Bolanos has two immediate goals. First, keep the K-9 units from going "back-to-back" against each other through the yards, thus making them susceptible to cross fire. Second, "We want to keep our eyes on the high ground—roofs, trees, and utility poles—and make sure the suspects do not get above the patrol units." A collateral benefit is to use the helicopter to intimidate the suspect, "keeping him bedded down until the K-9 units can find him." Meanwhile Krieg is scanning her landing zones and the horizon and monitoring the frequency and the traffic at Santa Monica Municipal Airport. Given its position and altitude, Air 8 is a midair magnet. Add a couple of omnipresent television news copters 150 feet above, and there is a real chance of tangled metal stew. A party line—123.02 MHz—is used to keep everyone, police and television crews, apprised of each other's positions. But inside Air 8, with all the cross-chatter, the intercom is practically useless. When on station, Krieg and Bolanos often communicate with each other through a series of abrupt and effective hand signals to indicate such things as forward, lower, or the need to fly a tighter pattern.

Air 8 orbits the scene for 45 minutes. One bad guy is already in custody, and the search continues for burglar number two. As the sun sets behind the Santa Monica Mountains, Krieg and Bolanos explain their craft and the daily dance between pilot and TFO, other aircrews, and ground units.

Both Krieg and Bolanos, like all ASD officers, began their careers with LAPD in the street, not in the air. Constantly during the discussions they stress that they are police officers first and flight officers second. Five years of fieldwork is required before an officer can apply for ASD. A pilot must have a private pilot certificate and 100 hours.

Krieg had a head start. Her father was a Boeing 747 captain for United Airlines and, with his encouragement, Krieg soloed in a hot air balloon at age 14 and entered balloon races with him. She received her private pilot certificate in 1984, the same year she joined LAPD. While she racked up good street time in L.A.'s worst neighborhoods—the notorious Rampart Division, Southeast, and Watts—she also built her pilot ratings, accumulating commercial, helicopter, instrument, ATP, CFI, and multiengine credentials.
She joined ASD as a TFO and worked as one for six months before entering its pilot training program. (Because of a current shortage of TFOs, Krieg still spends about 15 percent of her time working as one.) ASD's typical pilot training program takes six months (but because of Krieg's previous experience she completed it in three). New pilots get recurrent checkrides at 30, 60, and 90 days, and every six months thereafter. They are trained in the OH-58s. After they graduate they must log 500 hours in the 206s before they can transition into the A-Star.

TFO Mark "The Jackal" Bolanos is a 12-year LAPD veteran. Prior to joining ASD two years ago, he worked as a police academy instructor and in the antigang unit. Bolanos is quietly taking flight training. Most TFOs will eventually make pilot if they choose. The time is particularily good now; ASD is experiencing its biggest turnover in five years as Vietnam-era pilots, those with 25 to 30 years in the unit, retire.

Bolanos stresses the diplomacy required to effectively communicate with ground units and dispatchers. "You never want to tell them what to do, but sometimes you guide them. You tell them that there's a door open in the back of the building, there's a Rottweiler loose in the backyard, that sort of thing. It's a fine balance. You're trying to help them work the call, but you never say, ‘I think you guys should do this.'"

Bolanos navigates and works the law-support systems, the multifrequency Wulfsburg police radio, the electronic binoculars, the FLIR, the 30-million-candlepower "Night Sun" searchlight, and the 400-watt public-address system. As the burglary perimeter drags on, he'd like to be able to announce, "Come out in one minute or we'll release the dogs" over the loudspeakers. Krieg seconds the thought: "Perimeters are a lot more fun when you see the guy running."

Bolanos also serves as the triage officer. It is not uncommon for him to redirect Krieg several times during a single response run as calls of increasing urgency come over the radio. When an ASD unit is not specifically dispatched, it is free to prowl over hot spots, follow LoJack signals in search of stolen cars, or respond to any general police call where it thinks it could be helpful.

ASD almost always has at least one helicopter in the air, 24/7. The norm on the night shift is three.

The second burglary suspect may or may not be down there, but it doesn't matter. Because of the Santa Anas, Air 8 is the only ship in the air at present, and a call crackles across the radio that stops the conversation cold: "Officer needs assistance." Krieg instinctively breaks orbit and heads for the call before Bolanos can grab his laminated map pages.
Hours earlier an enterprising citizen had taken a hollowed-out grenade into a small shopping mall near Maple and Jefferson streets, ostensibly to persuade a debtor to pay up. The police were summoned; the citizen declined to drop the live-appearing grenade, so the police fatally shot him. Since then, tensions in the immediate area have been high. Now a traffic stop nearby has gone bad, with another upstanding citizen whose dog was menacing a patrol officer. The misdirected canine is no match for 9 mm ammunition. By the time Air 8 arrives over the scene the excitement is over. The A-Star's presence is virtually ignored by the crowd below.

LAPD has operated aircraft since the 1930s and helicopters since the 1950s. But the department didn't begin deploying them in a true patrol fashion until 1971, and when it did the results were dramatic—the criminal apprehension rate increased by 30 percent, and the average airborne call response time was slashed to 90 seconds.

LAPD's own studies show that crime increases by 50 percent in areas where helicopters are withdrawn, according to Keith Johnson, a 20-year ASD veteran. Today, ASD responds to more than 40,000 calls a year, is involved in 8,000 to 10,000 felony arrests, and half of the 500 to 600 vehicle pursuits each year. One helicopter is said to do the work of four patrol cars. The A-Star has direct operating costs of about $300 an hour. During a typical 2.2-hour patrol it will drink 40 gallons of Jet-A. Expensive no doubt, but not when put into context. ASD allows the LAPD to operate with 25- to 30 percent fewer police officers per 1,000 residents than are required in other big cities. That works out to a savings of more than $200 million per year. The value of LAPD's increased effectiveness thanks to ASD is in many ways incalculable. Even distressed general aviation pilots have benefited.

In 1997, a CFI and a student were flying out of Van Nuys on a starless night when their single-engine trainer lost power. An ASD helicopter overheard the distress call and used its Night Sun to guide the airplane to a successful off-airport landing.

On this Santa Ana-blown Saturday night Krieg and Bolanos will handle a variety of routine calls—none of which would make particularly good television—no hostage barricades or high-speed car chases down the freeway. "After a while, the nights and the calls all blur together," says Krieg.
The shift ends and Air 8 is cleared to land back at Piper Tech. As it descends through downtown L.A.'s glass canyon, a particularly juicy call comes in over the radio. There has been a shooting in the 77th District. Multiple victims are down. Probably the only excitement all night. Air 10 will handle that call. Bolanos just shakes his head. "Welcome to crime in the big city."
 
That's the article. Thx for finding that. I must of tossed that magazine out when I moved a while back. It is a good one and pretty much tells it like it is.
 
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