Getting into Accident Investigation

saria19

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As the title says, I'm looking to get into accident investigation. Current qualifications include ATP, CFI, CFII, 2800TT, and a degree in Aeronautical Science and Aviation Safety (focus on accident investigation).

Does anyone know of who might be hiring for entry level at the moment? I'm not particular about location and have no family issues at the moment that could hold me back.
 
Are you looking to get on with the NTSB? Insurance company? Aircraft Company? Airline Safety Department? There really are no 'entry level jobs' in Accident Investigation. You do need some experience to get a job. However, there is this option...

-Apply to and get hired at a regional that is an ALPA Carrier.
-Complete your first year there
-Volunteer for your MEC's Safety Committee
-Have them send you to the three ALPA Safety Schools
-Gain experience working (hopefully) minor incidents
-Go to every ALPA Safety event possible
-Network
-See if you can teach at an Accident Investigation Course

Options open.

Good luck!
 
To be honest I think my goal is the NTSB and I'm willing to work up to that. But I despise teaching. Anyone know of other ways towards this goal? Could I put myself through the NTSB courses?
 
You don't need to teach, was just offering suggestions.

The big thing the NTSB is looking for is experience. Putting yourself through their courses, while admirable you want to do that, I don't think will get you far in their selections process.
 
To be honest I think my goal is the NTSB and I'm willing to work up to that. But I despise teaching. Anyone know of other ways towards this goal? Could I put myself through the NTSB courses?

Here are some of the NTSB qualifications/info that I found:

The NTSB generally hires investigators who have specific qualifications and/or previous safety work experience in transportation. We have hired current FAA air traffic controllers, airline transport category pilots, hazardous material experts, maritime experts, and aerospace engineers – just to name a few of the disciplines. We also have an intern and co-op program. Several of our senior investigators and managers started out as student interns and have risen through the ranks over many years.

Entry level accident investigator positions are difficult to get into. Investigative experience as an insurance adjuster or piloting a plane in law enforcement is helpful. Entry Level or trainees typically must have one year of specialized experience demonstrating knowledge of civilian aircraft design, manufacture and maintenance operations or civilian aircraft operational requirements, practices and procedures. This experience may include work as a pilot for scheduled air carrier, A&P Mechanic or certified flight instructor. Possession of a valid commercial pilot certificate with instrument rating. Possession of a current first or second class Airman's Medical Certificate.

Requirements of higher level positions may include experience as an entry level or broad knowledge of aviation accident investigations, practices, procedures, and techniques. Specialized experience may also include that of a flight safety officer, flight operations supervisor, aircraft maintenance supervisor, designated pilot examiner, flight instruction supervisor, or flight test pilot. Typically accident investigators must have a high school diploma as well as specialized training in their area of transportation. Military experience, degrees in engineering, and law, and military accident investigation schools are very helpful.

Your skill-set should include strong written and communication skills, inquisitive, ability to empathize and know your audience, analyze and write because you have to get it all down on paper. factual data collection, and public speaking is a plus.

Qualification requirements at the NTSB include: Accident investigators need to be in good physical shape to meet the requirements of the job. Must have excellent organizational and technical writing skills, and ability to effectively speak and write English. The information taken from the accident scene must be assembled and or organized into logical factual and analytical reports. You must also be able to make effective oral presentations about your findings upon request. A valid state driver's license and have the ability to qualify for a US Government issued travel charge card. Aviation related engineering, medical and/or operational experience is required for a variety of professional positions with this safety related organization.

Here's their website:

http://www.ntsb.gov/about/employment.html

I would think that working with a firm such as this one, that I know/have heard of who works with aviation insurance companies and many other entities would be some great experience:

http://www.dviaviation.com/

Here is another entity:

http://www.aviationresponseteam.com/our-company

It might be useful to contact some aviation insurance companies and see if they do their own investigations or who they farm them out to and see what kind of info you can get as to qualifications and positions.

Aircraft manufacturers such as Boeing, also have their own accident investigators and safety teams, so you could look for something entry level there such as in, in house lab work.
 
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As was mentioned already, not too much in the entry-level without some significant previous qualifications and experience, or even an internship. Those may or may not be viable options to you, but there are options.
 
I always thought they wanted an engineering degree too - that this was more important than flight experience, but maybe I'm wrong.
 
In relation to increasing your chances of being hired by the NTSB, what does piloting an airplane in law enforcement have as an advantage over a passenger or cargo carrying operation?
 
I have a friend that "investigates" accidents for an insurance company. Looks at plane ascertain wether it was hangar rash or something stupid. Seems like a good job for the most part.
 
Beyond your undergraduate work, might I also recommend looking at graduate level aviation safety/human factors programs. Florida Institute of Technology was highly recommended to me.

Good luck.
 
UND has a pretty good accident investigation course you can take, but it's not cheap. UC (Berkley or SD, can't remember) has a very robust aviation safety program that may include some accident investigation courses.

As was said, there is no real "entry level" positions. They want lots and lots of experience in relevant fields.
 
UND has a pretty good accident investigation course you can take, but it's not cheap. UC (Berkley or SD, can't remember) has a very robust aviation safety program that may include some accident investigation courses.

As was said, there is no real "entry level" positions. They want lots and lots of experience in relevant fields.

You mean USC (referring to the California schools)? They have a very good aviation safety program.
 
With all your talk of wanting family life and so on, I hope you know what you might be getting into. I did accident investigation for land going vehicles (cars, trucks, commercial trucks, snowmobiles, ATVs, motorcycles, etc.). Some of the stuff I had to look at was absolutely brutal, and quite honestly lead to me doing something else after a couple years. I can't even imagine the carnage of most aircraft accidents.
 
It is something that is an interesting topic. I do land base investigation now. And have been looking into getting into the aircraft side as that is what is more interesting. I would say if you can't take looking at brutal photo's, then seeing live will be tough. Autopsies are interesting to watch, but I have found not everyone can do it. In addition the carnage from an accident is brutal compared with a homicide.
 
I can't even imagine the carnage of most aircraft accidents.
Having seen the carnage of a fatal accident and been through the investigative portion of it, I cannot emphasize this enough. It's mentally and emotionally draining to do. It might be different when it's not someone you're familiar with (such as being a full time investigator), but it's not an experience for the faint of mind/heart/stomach.
 
It is something that is an interesting topic. I do land base investigation now. And have been looking into getting into the aircraft side as that is what is more interesting. I would say if you can't take looking at brutal photo's, then seeing live will be tough. Autopsies are interesting to watch, but I have found not everyone can do it. In addition the carnage from an accident is brutal compared with a homicide.

I've not seen any homicide photos, but accident photos are horrific - even when they don't die. Two accidents and their photos really bothered me... The first was a young girl badly burned in a snowmobiling accident, and the other was the photos of a lady ejected from her vehicle and ran over by traffic. Her poor daughter was trying to drag her body out of the highway when she had to run out of the way from the cars - watching her mother get hit repeatedly.

It takes a special type of person for this work, no question about it. Eventually I found I wasn't one of them.
 
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