General question to all frieght pilots

I don't know who wrote this but;

Just to play the Devils advocate here:
Lets end that scenario differently. You land and, no fault of your own, a tire deflates on touchdown, and you go careening off the side. Besides the ambiguity of trying to keep a paycheck after totaling the a/c, picture yourself defending what you said while a judge is to the right and the administrative prosecutor is in front of you.
Remember, in administrative law, guilty until proven innocent. That's a biggie.

Yup. That was the risk taken at the time, on that day. It happened to work out. In freight dogging, you don't always have a perfectly plowed runway or otherwise ideal conditions; if you expect that, you're in the WAY wrong biz. You do what your knowledge and experience allows, without letting it become a safety issue. Exercise judgement. I don't "what if" the scenario, because it worked out. Take those lessons, good or bad, and put them in the SA bag of tricks for what to do in the future.

That, my friend, is called reality.

Also, just a small point, but when ice is pelting the side of the airplane, usually a good sign that the prop heat *is* working.

Not when enough ice is accumulating that it gets slung off. And this plane had continuous write-ups for prop anti-ice--inop.
 
Not when enough ice is accumulating that it gets slung off. And this plane had continuous write-ups for prop anti-ice--inop.


WTF are you doing at MaranaPinal? I flew in there when I was doing commercial training. Neat little place with lots of chopped up planes.
 
WTF are you doing at MaranaPinal? I flew in there when I was doing commercial training. Neat little place with lots of chopped up planes.

I work here and TUS for my civil job, and live a few miles south. Nice "shady" place to spend the day at....:D
 
Yup. That was the risk taken at the time, on that day. It happened to work out. In freight dogging, you don't always have a perfectly plowed runway or otherwise ideal conditions; if you expect that, you're in the WAY wrong biz. You do what your knowledge and experience allows, without letting it become a safety issue. Exercise judgement. I don't "what if" the scenario, because it worked out. Take those lessons, good or bad, and put them in the SA bag of tricks for what to do in the future.

That, my friend, is called reality.



Not when enough ice is accumulating that it gets slung off. And this plane had continuous write-ups for prop anti-ice--inop.
Hmm.. I have well over a thousand hours of ho time, in the north east ice, and seem to remember the ice hitting all day long on an icy day. That's why they have ice plates on the fuselage. The prop heat dislodges the ice, it hits the airframe. What am I missing?

As far as the other stuff, well, just saying. Been a dog for over 25 years. Been there done that. Learned a few things along the way.
 
Hmm.. I have well over a thousand hours of ho time, in the north east ice, and seem to remember the ice hitting all day long on an icy day. That's why they have ice plates on the fuselage. The prop heat dislodges the ice, it hits the airframe. What am I missing?

As far as the other stuff, well, just saying. Been a dog for over 25 years. Been there done that. Learned a few things along the way.

You're right that that's how they normally work, that's not the question. Point was that with the constantly written-up props, there was no guarantee they were working regularly, vice off and on; I should've made that more clear.

We all live and learn through our varying experiences.....some benign, some not so much. One thing for certain, we as dogs don't have it cushy!
 
MikeD? A freight dawg? You're as big of a sell out as me, what with leaving that job flying the Metro for a cushy job flying a giant gun.

Get over it Daf, you're a has been! Leave the real flying to the real freight dogs. I mean Jesus son, not everybody gets to fly the F-117!
 
MsHunter:banghead:, you are truly an egotistical fool and obviously a VERY inexperienced pilot (regardless of how many hours dual given you have). Just because you caught a little rime ice on your 172's strut or your pa-44's OAT gauge doesn't mean you "don't mind" bad weather. Get real. Please do the TRUE freight dawgs a favor and keep applying 121. Please. Ever been in a C-340 with a broken heater at FL220(-25F OAT) just so you can climb over the tstorm ??? Frigid fingers and ice on the INSIDE of the plexi from your own breath..... On second thought...keep flying your 172 in the Mojave this summer....maybe your the type of fool who learns the hard way.:sarcasm:
 
MsHunter:banghead:, you are truly an egotistical fool and obviously a VERY inexperienced pilot (regardless of how many hours dual given you have). Just because you caught a little rime ice on your 172's strut or your pa-44's OAT gauge doesn't mean you "don't mind" bad weather. Get real. Please do the TRUE freight dawgs a favor and keep applying 121. Please. Ever been in a C-340 with a broken heater at FL220(-25F OAT) just so you can climb over the tstorm ??? Frigid fingers and ice on the INSIDE of the plexi from your own breath..... On second thought...keep flying your 172 in the Mojave this summer....maybe your the type of fool who learns the hard way.:sarcasm:

I think MsHunter has been hammered plenty already.
 
MsHunter:banghead:, you are truly an egotistical fool and obviously a VERY inexperienced pilot (regardless of how many hours dual given you have). Just because you caught a little rime ice on your 172's strut or your pa-44's OAT gauge doesn't mean you "don't mind" bad weather. Get real. Please do the TRUE freight dawgs a favor and keep applying 121. Please. Ever been in a C-340 with a broken heater at FL220(-25F OAT) just so you can climb over the tstorm ??? Frigid fingers and ice on the INSIDE of the plexi from your own breath..... On second thought...keep flying your 172 in the Mojave this summer....maybe your the type of fool who learns the hard way.:sarcasm:

ps. If you're on top of it at FL220, it's not a thunderstorm, it's a cloud.
 
MsHunter:banghead:, you are truly an egotistical fool and obviously a VERY inexperienced pilot (regardless of how many hours dual given you have). Just because you caught a little rime ice on your 172's strut or your pa-44's OAT gauge doesn't mean you "don't mind" bad weather. Get real. Please do the TRUE freight dawgs a favor and keep applying 121. Please. Ever been in a C-340 with a broken heater at FL220(-25F OAT) just so you can climb over the tstorm ??? Frigid fingers and ice on the INSIDE of the plexi from your own breath..... On second thought...keep flying your 172 in the Mojave this summer....maybe your the type of fool who learns the hard way.:sarcasm:

Welcome to JC... but this isn't that kind of forum.
 
MsHunter:banghead:, you are truly an egotistical fool and obviously a VERY inexperienced pilot (regardless of how many hours dual given you have). Just because you caught a little rime ice on your 172's strut or your pa-44's OAT gauge doesn't mean you "don't mind" bad weather. Get real. Please do the TRUE freight dawgs a favor and keep applying 121. Please. Ever been in a C-340 with a broken heater at FL220(-25F OAT) just so you can climb over the tstorm ??? Frigid fingers and ice on the INSIDE of the plexi from your own breath..... On second thought...keep flying your 172 in the Mojave this summer....maybe your the type of fool who learns the hard way.:sarcasm:

I am not even going to bother. Welcome to JC.:D

Edit: Just remember one thing, everyone was a low time pilot at one point in there career, even you. Mr. Shmoe
 
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