United737522
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What is 'finger flying' an approach? If anyone can help me out, I would appreciate it.
General interview question: finger flying?
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taseal
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they tell you that you are 'here' (point somewhere on the app plate) and they say 'you are cleared for full app' and now you have to tell when at what point you are going to descend. and at what point you are going to intercept, do the PT (or course reversal via hold) etc etc. all the way until you land.
taseal
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well yeah. i thought it was finger flying though. I don't use my whole hand to point at a fix lol
United737522
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United737522
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Quick follow-up to make sure I am right...
It's been forever since I have done a full approach with a PT.
Let's say I am on radar vectors and cleared for the approach. I cannot descend to a published altitude until I am established on the localizer, correct?
What if I am cleared direct to ABC VOR and cleared for the ABC ILS 7 approach, am I authorized to do the PT? I guess the clearance covers the PT. Just confused over the wording of 91.175(j)...
It's been forever since I have done a full approach with a PT.
Let's say I am on radar vectors and cleared for the approach. I cannot descend to a published altitude until I am established on the localizer, correct?
What if I am cleared direct to ABC VOR and cleared for the ABC ILS 7 approach, am I authorized to do the PT? I guess the clearance covers the PT. Just confused over the wording of 91.175(j)...
ppragman
No pasa nada.
germb747
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Finger fly, hand fly, chair fly, whatever you want to call it. And yes, you'll want to maintain the last altitude in the ATC clearance until established on the localizer before you descend to the published altitude. "Established" generally means plus or minus one dot of needle deflection, or plus or minus 5 degrees on an NDB.
Yes, you're supposed to execute the full procedure from the IAF (unless it's via No PT routing) unless told otherwise. If any doubt, query the controller.
I use the following acronym (SNERT) to decide whether or not a PT is necessary.
S - Straight in (Cleared for)
N - No PT
E - Established in holding
R - Radar Vectors
T - Timed Approach
Captain_Bob
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:yeahthat:
Used in interview situations... they ask you to "finger fly" the approach after handing you a random approach plate that you may not be familiar with. Point and state what you would do every step of the way.
It's not... it's really that easy.
Finger Fly = As described above
Hand Fly = Hands on the controls in flight... no autopilot
Chair Fly = Used in training practice scenarios. Sitting in a chair in your home/hotel room/training center, in front of nothing, your cockpit poster, or paper tiger... and using your imagination to "fly" the plane, perform your flows or memory items, practice an emergency, etc.
Bob
Schinpop
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I teach that once the localizer/VOR needle is off the pegs, you are "established". If you have to be within 1 dot of deflection to be established, there are a whole bunch of folks out there that would never decend...
taseal
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I use SHARPT. yours is missing a DME Arc
s - straight in
h - hold in lieu
a - arc
r - radar vectors
p - pt not allowed
t - timed
altough its stupid (unless they ask you at an interview I guess) but if u look at the chart, and it doesn't have it. then you don't do it
taseal
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you would hit the VOR, fly the given course. hit the IAF (perhaps the IAF is VOR?) and you would descend when you hit the IAF on your way to do the PT/course reversal)