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pilotlight

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Minding my own business walking through the crew rooms in all 3 NW bases during the last month or so, I have heard some great ones. I have decided to post the top 5 i have heard for your enjoyment. None of these i have created or believe in although there is one of them that i have heard from 4 different "sources".
Enjoy

1. Getting 35 crj900's for UAL out of ORD (crj 900 not permitted under ual's scope clause but hey who cares?)
2. Republic is buying us (RAH is getting out of the 50 seat business but decides to buy 124 more)
3. We are trading crj 200's for 900's for delta one for one (delta is over the limit of 76 seat aircraft allowed)
4. The contract is done (its been done for 2 years just not signed)
5. We are buying Mesaba

:beer:
 
pilotlight said:
Minding my own business walking through the crew rooms in all 3 NW bases during the last month or so, I have heard some great ones. I have decided to post the top 5 i have heard for your enjoyment. None of these i have created or believe in although there is one of them that i have heard from 4 different "sources".
Enjoy

1. Getting 35 crj900's for UAL out of ORD (crj 900 not permitted under ual's scope clause but hey who cares?)
2. Republic is buying us (RAH is getting out of the 50 seat business but decides to buy 124 more)
3. We are trading crj 200's for 900's for delta one for one (delta is over the limit of 76 seat aircraft allowed)
4. The contract is done (its been done for 2 years just not signed)
5. We are buying Mesaba

:beer:
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Good luck on the achievements! :sarcasm:
 
pilotlight said:
Minding my own business walking through the crew rooms in all 3 NW bases during the last month or so, I have heard some great ones. I have decided to post the top 5 i have heard for your enjoyment. None of these i have created or believe in although there is one of them that i have heard from 4 different "sources".
Enjoy

1. Getting 35 crj900's for UAL out of ORD (crj 900 not permitted under ual's scope clause but hey who cares?)
2. Republic is buying us (RAH is getting out of the 50 seat business but decides to buy 124 more)
3. We are trading crj 200's for 900's for delta one for one (delta is over the limit of 76 seat aircraft allowed)
4. The contract is done (its been done for 2 years just not signed)
5. We are buying Mesaba

:beer:
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This one is actually the most feasible rumor.... though it would probably be 2 for 1. The DALPA MEC Chair already relaxed RJ scope once and allowed the company to keep more than the original 255 on the JPWA in exchange for a "no furlough" clause. :mad:
 
cencal83406 said:
This one is actually the most feasible rumor.... though it would probably be 2 for 1. The DALPA MEC Chair already relaxed RJ scope once and allowed the company to keep more than the original 255 on the JPWA in exchange for a "no furlough" clause. :mad:
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The 2:1 deal within the ASA was only down to the minimum number of 124 -200's. Below that number would be 1:1. Therefore we have options for -900's but could only operate them in a 70 seat configuration for the DALPA scope clause. As mainline adds more airplanes (whenever that is) there is a ratio of mainline:RJ's in the 50+ seat category.


The contract is not done, but close- and still has some holes that you can drive a truck through from reliable sources I have talked to.

The UAL thing... that rumor has been around for a long time- the idea is that since Mesa has been having issues for years that if/when a contract is NOT renewed with airways, UAL, etc that we (9E) would magically walk into all this flying. O the cancer that is the airlines..... I have also asked some "in the know" and there is no real truth other than logic. As soon as RFP's go out there would be more realistic ideas of who gets the deals. For this reason the company would love to be the cheapest operator already operating all the airframes (-200, 700/900 variants).

Us buying mesaba? Who knows- haven't heard it but they WILL be put up for sale at some point and could make sense to mgmt, although it still keeps our business tied to one airline- which mgmt gave up 2% operational profit and in excess of $20M for the golden share from NWA back in 06/07 to be able to operate for multiple carriers. Of course we started with DL and now it's all one anyway.... The CFO here is beyond needing a kick off the board but that's not my call.

I can't see republic buying us- between the 50 seaters and union issues across the board they have enough on their plate as they go for the "full size" carriers.

This company just burns money that would be useful to have right now.
-Bought up company stock at $14-$18 when it ran up to almost $20, now it's at $3 (up from $1.00 a few months ago- prime for a takeover at the time..ehem:crazy:)
-Spent $20M for a "Golden share" from NWA to fly for DL, then DL just absorbs us anyway.
-$120M+ in auction rate securities when the credit markets were already freezing.

These factors alone burned up close to the $200M check we got from NWA in 06 when the ASA was worked out and re-signed, even giving up a profit margin somewhere in the 2% category.

Ok... that's all for now, getting angry again:mad:
 
cencal83406 said:
The DALPA MEC Chair already relaxed RJ scope once and allowed the company to keep more than the original 255 on the JPWA in exchange for a "no furlough" clause. :mad:
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That's wrong. The company was over on the total number of RJs according to how DALPA counted airframes and under by how the company counted. The deal was that the company could keep what they had, but from now until the last RJ is parked, it is DALPA's way of counting airframes that will be used and DALPA has the last say in how many there are.
 
Cptnchia said:
That's wrong. The company was over on the total number of RJs according to how DALPA counted airframes and under by how the company counted. The deal was that the company could keep what they had, but from now until the last RJ is parked, it is DALPA's way of counting airframes that will be used and DALPA has the last say in how many there are.
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Ok that's wayyyyyy better than what I gathered from the Delta thread over at APC....

I don't know why people would be confusing such an important agreement, in that case. :dunno:
 
cencal83406 said:
This one is actually the most feasible rumor.... though it would probably be 2 for 1. The DALPA MEC Chair already relaxed RJ scope once and allowed the company to keep more than the original 255 on the JPWA in exchange for a "no furlough" clause. :mad:
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No 2:1 deal unless management re-negotiates the ASA. The only 2:1 draw down is if we're flying for another carrier, and we have to be flying 20+ airframes for them to take us down 2 airplanes for each airplane flown for the other carrier up to X amount max. Even then, they can only pull down 5 in a 12 month period. If they swap out -900s for -200s, as Ken said, it's 1:1 per the ASA, despite the fact Delta doesn't have the scope to let happen. Although when I bring these facts up in the crew rooms, it never ceases to amaze me how people love to ignore facts for whatever reality they choose to invent.....
 
kellwolf said:
No 2:1 deal unless management re-negotiates the ASA. The only 2:1 draw down is if we're flying for another carrier, and we have to be flying 20+ airframes for them to take us down 2 airplanes for each airplane flown for the other carrier up to X amount max. Even then, they can only pull down 5 in a 12 month period. If they swap out -900s for -200s, as Ken said, it's 1:1 per the ASA, despite the fact Delta doesn't have the scope to let happen. Although when I bring these facts up in the crew rooms, it never ceases to amaze me how people love to ignore facts for whatever reality they choose to invent.....
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The ideal way to solve the issue of the unbalanced crew force is to give us Atlanta guys more 900s though. :) lol!
 
cencal83406 said:
The ideal way to solve the issue of the unbalanced crew force is to give us Atlanta guys more 900s thought. :) lol!
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Nice! Rumor I heard was get the FOs dual qualified under the new contract (it's DONE, right?) and TDY them to MEM, DTW and MSP.
 
cencal83406 said:
Then I'd have to fly with you. And the answer to that is ach eeee double elll no. :) lol jk
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You didn't hear the stipulations on the TDY rumor. If it comes true, I doubt you'd have the seniority to hold it. :) Besides, after I crack 1000 TPIC, if we get a vacancy, I might bid down to ATL just to take a break from the madness that is JM calls on every friggin' day off.
 
BB has been saying for years that he doesn't plan on staying in the 50 seat biz. He hasn't stopped utilizing it as of yet.
 
cencal83406 said:
This one is actually the most feasible rumor.... though it would probably be 2 for 1. The DALPA MEC Chair already relaxed RJ scope once and allowed the company to keep more than the original 255 on the JPWA in exchange for a "no furlough" clause. :mad:
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I haven't exactly been the biggest Lee Moak fan as of late, but the above isn't really accurate. He didn't "relax" scope, he settled a grievance that they probably didn't stand much of a chance of winning in the first place. The language in the JPWA was poorly written, and he saw an opportunity to get a no furlough clause to settle a grievance that he knew he was likely going to lose anyway.

With that said, DALPA is horrible on protecting scope, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them give up more in the near future for God knows what excuse. :rolleyes:
 
Welcome to the dark side! :)

He makes a great speech and that inflatable rat was just stunning.

But... :)
 
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