Freight to Corporate?

RPM

RPM

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I've read from a bunch of you Corporate guys that the best route to a Corporate position is by 135 Charter exp. and to avoid the airlines, but what about a 135 Freight exp. to Corporate? Is that a good/bad idea?

I would think you would still have the same networking opportunities as charter flying and you would get the 135 exp., but you wouldn't get the people skills since your passengers are only boxes.

I have been more and more interested in Corporate flying the more I learn about it, but I really have no idea what their looking for. I was planning on building exp. at a freight company like Airnet once I meet the 135 mins, but like I said, I really don't know if this would be a good route to a Corporate job or not
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Good thing I still have LOTS of flight hours to think about it
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Any thoughts/ advice?
 
Another question, does age play an important role in Corporate hiring? I am 24 now and will probally be about 26-27 before I could even start applying for Corporate positions.

My problem is I look like i'm barely even 20, I could probally pass for a high school kid
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I would think that the Corporate world would look for the older more mature looking type
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This may be a dumb question, but just a concern in the back of my mind.

I'll probally still get ID'd at bars when i'm 40
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Well you won't get as many networking opportunities flying for Airnet (or any other freight operator) as you would a good passenger charter job... One of the main reasons is a lot of freight moves at night, passengers on the other hand typically move during the day.

Also on a freight job you aren't typically hanging out at the FBO for several hours during the day where as charter you most likely will be... Good opportunities to hang out with other pilots (some of which will be Corporate pilots)...

Can you go Freight to Corporate... sure... is it the easiest, or most effective route? probably not...

The people skills are pretty important... I have flown with a few freight guys in the past, you can tell they were used to flying boxes... they weren't very smooth at all.. good pilots, but not concerned with pax comfort...

The "age" thing is a bit of a factor, I got hired with a Fortuune 500 company at 28... I looked about 25-28... All depends on the company... One thing is, if you typically look young, try to change your look just a bit.. ditch the high school haircut and the skateboarder sunglasses and such... (not saying you have these, since I don't know you I wouldn't know, merely a hypothetical example)...

Good Luck!
 
Thanks for the advice FalconCapt, I think I'll start looking more into the Charter companies in my area, your right about the mostly flying at night and not getting to Network as much- I didn't really think about that, I'm sure their isn't many people hanging around the airport at 3 AM except for fellow freight dawgs
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The "age" thing is a bit of a factor, I got hired with a Fortuune 500 company at 28... I looked about 25-28... All depends on the company... One thing is, if you typically look young, try to change your look just a bit.. ditch the high school haircut and the skateboarder sunglasses and such... (not saying you have these, since I don't know you I wouldn't know, merely a hypothetical example)...


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I don't think I really have the High School haircut anymore - more Military style, but yeah, I do wear Oakleys
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Maybe I should get some of those sweet Ray-Ban aviator style glasses and grow a mustache/ that should put a few years on me
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Go which ever route will get you turbine PIC the fasted. The more turbine time you have, and the more turbojet types you have, the better.

Check haulers fly at night, but if you go to on-demand charter you'll fly mostly during the day and go to the same FBOs that everyone else does.
 
You mentioned appearances. I am curious if I will likely need to keep my tattoos hidden during my probationary periods etc. They have religious/cultural significance.
 
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You mentioned appearances. I am curious if I will likely need to keep my tattoos hidden during my probationary periods etc. They have religious/cultural significance.

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Yes, more than likely that would be a good idea... You will probably be required to keep them concealed even after your probationary period...
 
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You can go from freight to charter. The key is getting turbine time then turbine PIC time. I went from on demand freight to the airlines and some of my co-workers jumped over to corporate. Freight will give you some great experience. If you are in the Northern parts you will also get some great ice expereice. This can help you a lot later on down the road when you are flying pax. <BR>

When you can, fly as if you are flying passengers. You can't give the pax a rought ride. I had to think about the turns and descents a lot when I first came to the airlhnes. You can't be doing a steep turn to join the loc and you can't stay high to the last minue and drop down at 4000fpm.
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I met a lot of people working freight. I was on demand and spent a fair amount of time in FBO's talking to the corporate guys. I also flew a lot of night also. <BR>

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When you can, fly as if you are flying passengers. you can't stay high to the last minue and drop down at 4000fpm.

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Sure you can! My pax have seen 6,000 FPM (Up and Down) and never even knew it! Smooooth is the key!
 
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You mentioned appearances. I am curious if I will likely need to keep my tattoos hidden during my probationary periods etc. They have religious/cultural significance.

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I have not yet met a UPS box that was offended by a tattoo. So, atleast for freight you might be ok.

I may be speaking beyond my quals (I dont hire pilots, but before I was a pilot I hired lots of people), if I was an interviewer and someone implored religious or cultural reasons for a tattoo (not against tattoos by the way) , then I would feel justified that the door was open to query details on the religion or culture. Especially if it looked like the same ol thing that lots of people have.
 
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Sure you can! My pax have seen 6,000 FPM (Up and Down) and never even knew it! Smooooth is the key!

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Depends on the deck angle and how smooth your boards are.

On the older Lears sometimes one board comes out a hair sooner then the other...now that doesn't give that great a ride.
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Sure you can! My pax have seen 6,000 FPM (Up and Down) and never even knew it! Smooooth is the key!

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Depends on the deck angle and how smooth your boards are.

On the older Lears sometimes one board comes out a hair sooner then the other...now that doesn't give that great a ride.
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Yeah, the boards on the Lear leave a lot to be desired! If you have a high enough Mmo/Vmo you don't need boards for 6,000 FPM descents! In the Falcon, we typically never go past position 1 on the boards (Center board of the 3, 50° extension angle)... Just enough to keep our speed from getting out of hand without much noticeable rumble in the cabin... If you go to full extension (position 2, Inboard panels 37°, Center panels 50°, Outboard panels 68°) I have gotten descent rates in the neighborhood of 18,000 FPM (at Mmo, power at idle) Of course I did this empty!
 
UPS is quite anal about quite a lot of things. I think I saw a tatoo on a crusty old DC-8 PFE once, must have been left over from when he was a sailor. I'd highly recommend keeping tatto's covered during an interview and not getting any tatto's that you can't cover. I never had a "company" physical, either, 1st class was good enough and I don't think flight physican's care about tatoo's. In theory, the company would never know about a covered tatoo...which is fine.

Anyhow, I wouldn't assume personal appearance standards are any less at UPS or Fedex because we fly freight, they aren't.
 
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If you are in the Northern parts you will also get some great ice expereice

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yikes. great ice experience? that's the one thing that concerns me about flying 135 freight up north....ice...deal with t-storms all the time down here, but never had a hint of ice.
 
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