Freelance Instructing Advice
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moxiepilot
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don't underprice yourself!
How much and any recommendations on where to go for it? Thanks
I am charging $30 an hour (as per a recommendation by another CFI buddy) As of now it feels fair to me, maybe after a few more hours of doing this it might not feel quite like enough I can imagine...
Whose plane are you flying in? Renting? or does your buddy own or you own the aircraft? As for insurance, it all depends on what your doing and I wouldn't know where to start there I am sure someone here can chime in and answer that.
Renting the plane. Its a small airport and the local mechanic owns/rents a plane that I am using, a 1960 C172 for too much an hour... but what can you do.
escapepilot
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1. Insurance - check CFI insurance from AOPA or NAFI (search for opinions on each on JC).
2. Competitive pricing - see what other instructors in the area are charging and price accordingly.
3. Keep good records - syllabus, pre-solo writtens, endorsements, etc. When you're freelancing, you're responsible for everything.
2. Competitive pricing - see what other instructors in the area are charging and price accordingly.
3. Keep good records - syllabus, pre-solo writtens, endorsements, etc. When you're freelancing, you're responsible for everything.
If he is renting and you are using then you are operating as a commercial operator. Should you get ramp checked you could lose your certificate. If someone can cite the FAR here that would be wonderful, I remember distinctly covering this exact scenario and citing the FAR in my CFI class at college, but I don't remember which FAR it is. The only thing that is unclear is if it applies to flight training as well, can anyone verify? I have been digging through 119/121 with no luck so far but I will let you know if I stumble on something.
To my knowledge the only way it is legal is if the other person owns the aircraft, it cannot be your aircraft or a rented aircraft.
subpilot
Squawking 7600
So what are you getting at? Yes, the aircraft is required to have 100hr inspections and the aircraft should have commercial insurance as well as the instructor having CFI insurance, but if you are suggesting that he needs FAA approval or certification then I think you are mistaken.
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Roger, Roger
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It is absolutely legal. 119.1.(e) says that the student instruction is exempt from the rules on commercial operators.
I had read that but thought it was only meant for the part it was referring to, there are a few places in 119 that say teaching is exempt. I just wanted to know if anyone has found anything elsewhere or knows which FAR I am referring to that prevents you from renting and aircraft and using it for hire because you apparently cannot do this from what I remember in my class but I have been unable to locate it. To clarify, I agree this does not apply to the CFI but am looking for clarification on renting aircraft and using for any other form of commercial operations.
Subpilot: I am not referring to FAA approval. I am saying to make sure it is legal to rent an aircraft and then turn around and use it for commercial operations. That typically falls under the operator clause in the FAR and you are not allowed to do it. However, as Roger pointed out it is apparently exempt from flight instruction as well as a few others but I am still looking for the section that defines this for anything other than the list of exempt operations.
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Roger, Roger
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is this what you were looking for?
No, interesting though and I will certainly keep that, but we were "proven" via the FARs if I remember right that you cannot rent an aircraft to fly another person in, you have to follow pro rata if you rent out otherwise you are operating under a commercial operators certificate which you do not have. It is the proof that you cannot do that, rent an aircraft and then be compensated for it, that I am looking for.
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Roger, Roger
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According to that AC, if you have a very limited clientele (say one guy, or one family) it would be considered private carriage, no matter who owns or rents the aircraft.
I was offered 2 years ago to rent an aircraft and fly my girlfriends uncle somewhere, I checked with the legal department at the college and was told it was a no go since I am not a commercial operator. He did not cite the regulation, but my class did, that citation that would disallow this example is what I am looking for. It would have been fine if he owned the aircraft, but because we were renting it it was not allowed. I thought that it might somehow fall under wet lease, but reading through there I found nothing either.
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Roger, Roger
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If HE rents the aircraft, you are merely acting as a pilot-for-hire. Ergo, not an operator.
TGatch
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I was offered 2 years ago to rent an aircraft and fly my girlfriends uncle somewhere, I checked with the legal department at the college and was told it was a no go since I am not a commercial operator. He did not cite the regulation, but my class did, that citation that would disallow this example is what I am looking for. It would have been fine if he owned the aircraft, but because we were renting it it was not allowed. I thought that it might somehow fall under wet lease, but reading through there I found nothing either.
I had the same thing come up in my commercial checkride Shdw. The examiner didn't cite a reg, but said that if I rented the plane, and flew it could be considered being paid for getting the plane as well as piloting,a no-no. But like Roger said if HE gets the plane, and you merely fly it, then it's ok.
If this he/you renting logic applied here, then logically it would apply to a friend renting the aircraft and you being void of pro rata as a private pilot. It doesn't matter who rents it because the PIC is the one that will need to be insured by the FBO and checked out to fly that aircraft. It was something with how aircraft rental works, the person who isn't PIC isn't technically the renter or something along those lines. I can't remember how it works but maybe this will help:
If you look at 61.133 (1) it notes "...applicable parts of this chapter that apply to the operation" is stated in both i and ii. This to me would imply that whenever your carrying passengers for hire you must be working for an operator certified for you to carry passengers under that part. You can't go out and just fly anyone in anyones aircraft, you can only do it if the person owns that aircraft. That is my understanding of it, does anyone have more details?
wjmiller3
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If you throw Private Pilot into this it totally changes things.