For the pilots/college students...

jrh

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I was just wondering if many of the other college students here on JC have noticed something I've thought about lately...

Being in aviation and taking traditional college at the same time leads to conflicts, sooner or later, but it's worth it. Let me try to explain with a story.

Last week I went flying with an instrument student in the evening. The forecast for our home airport was to be OVC020 for the rest of the evening. We filed IFR to an airport about 40 miles away, took off, shot two practice approaches at that airport, then returned to our home airport. As we were shooting the VOR approach into our home airport, I noticed some unforecast fog rolling in towards the airport perimeter. Before we reached the airport, the fog rolled over the runway and we had to go missed.

We picked up vectors to the ILS, then just as we were about to get turned inbound the controller advised us that the RVR was 1800. We decided to continue. Inside the marker the tower advised us it was now 1600 RVR. My student did great, kept the ILS perfectly crossed up all the way to minimums, but as I expected, we had to go missed. At that point we had been in the air for 2.2 hours and had taken off with 4 hours of fuel. We considered trying the ILS again, but I figured it would be a waste of time and fuel.

The nearest airport was 35 miles away and reporting 3SM, OVC005. We got vectored for the ILS there, came in, found out the weather had actually dropped to 1SM, OVC003, and landed. By the time we landed it was 8:00 P.M. We checked the TAFs for home and it was forecast to lift to 1 SM vis by midnight. We hung out in the pilots lounge for a couple hours, checked the forecast again, and found it was calling for 1/4 SM vis and VV001 for the rest of the night. We called a friend, offered to pay for his car's gas, and left the plane where it was. I made it home and into bed by 1:00 A.M.

The next morning I went to class and bombed a calculus test, mostly because I hadn't had any time to study thanks to our little adventure the night before. I was also lost in some other lectures because I hadn't read any of the assigned reading.

But the thing is, I didn't really mind. I felt like I'd learned so much the night before that it was worth it. I had made several important decisions, gotten experience instructing in some very low weather, exercised good judgement, and generally challenged my abilities as a pilot. I felt like what I'd learned on that flight would be much more useful to me later in life than knowing about second derivatives.

So I guess there isn't much of a point to this post. Just that I've had many similar times where I've been stuck or delayed because of flying, missed out on something from "regular" life, but it's usually been worth it. I wondered if any of you have noticed the same thing.
 
The next morning I went to class and bombed a calculus test, mostly because I hadn't had any time to study thanks to our little adventure the night before. I was also lost in some other lectures because I hadn't read any of the assigned reading.


Hate to be the prick here, but never leave studying for a college exam until the day before the exam. Otherwise, be ready to accept a not-so-stellar grade.

But again, I know some people who can pull off a good grade by solely studying the day before...
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Hate to be the prick here, but never leave studying for a college exam until the day before the exam. Otherwise, be ready to accept a not-so-stellar grade.

I know what you mean. But the things that got me on that exam were things I doubt I would have had trouble with if I'd just refreshed myself on them for an hour or so.

Anyway, ignore the specifics of this case ;)

I'm talking about a general trend of what happens when you take college and aviation at the same time. Aviation has a way like nothing else of interferring with "normal" life.
 
On the first day of classes when your professors ask you to tell something interesting about yourself's and if you say your a pilot, what is there reaction usually?
 
alphaone said:
On the first day of classes when your professors ask you to tell something interesting about yourself's and if you say your a pilot, what is there reaction usually?

It's a mixed bag. Some are impressed, others think "DORK!"

As for the original post... I know what you mean, although it certainly isn't exclusive of aviation. There are many extracurriculars that put people in the same position, from dealing with drug overdoses as an EMT to counseling refugees. Regardless of what it is, it certainly puts things into perspective. Although college preparation and performance should be a priority, I think some professors/students make exams and assignments seem overly-critical. Serious extracurriculars (especially vocational ones) put those professors "in their place."
 
alphaone said:
On the first day of classes when your professors ask you to tell something interesting about yourself's and if you say your a pilot, what is there reaction usually?

I don't say much and therefore don't get a reaction one way or the other. I just introduce myself as an aviation major and leave it at that. If they ask for something interesting about me, I tell them I'm from Iowa (fairly rare to find an Iowan in Washington state).

I talk flying enough with my pilot buddies..I don't care to talk flying with my non-pilot buddies unless they bring it up.
 
C150J said:
Regardless of what it is, it certainly puts things into perspective. Although college preparation and performance should be a priority, I think some professors/students make exams and assignments seem overly-critical.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm pretty much done with my aviation degree, but now I'm getting deeper and deeper into a communications degree for a double major. I'm still getting used to the difference in what the students have experienced in the real world. Upper division aviation classes are full of licensed pilots, sometimes instructors, actually out there flying professionally. Upper division comm classes are full of people that are just...students. Still learning how to go out and do something, someday. Some have had an internship at a TV studio, or gotten a magazine article published, but for the most part, aren't actively working in their field on a daily basis.

Nothing wrong with that, but it's different than what I've seen in aviation.

And that goes back to my original post. If I were strictly a pilot or strictly a student it would make life easier than doing both simultaneously.
 
I'd say having a rough day of classes because of your night is more respectable and acceptable than a rough day because you're hungover!
 
FlyChicaga said:
I'd say having a rough day of classes because of your night is more respectable and acceptable than a rough day because you're hungover!

or... going below mins to get back home to study!
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Hate to be the prick here, but never leave studying for a college exam until the day before the exam. Otherwise, be ready to accept a not-so-stellar grade.

But again, I know some people who can pull off a good grade by solely studying the day before...

I certainly was able to pull it off (not to boast or anything). There are some people who could do it. It's all depends on how we learn. The one caviat to cramming the night before is that stuff is normally sent to short-term memory and is gone once we have no need for it anymore.

As for the other topic (that of the approaches), I'm glad you were able to experience the approaches. Good decision-making as well.

Neil
 
For my first three semesters of college, I went full time, and now in my fourth, I have decided to go part time from now on and take two extra years for the degree. I think it will help balance school/flying better so I can instruct more (should start by spring) and have better grades. Besides, I'm in no rush to get on with a regional...I would like to take my time and enjoy instructing.
 
WestIndian425 said:
I certainly was able to pull it off (not to boast or anything). There are some people who could do it. It's all depends on how we learn. The one caviat to cramming the night before is that stuff is normally sent to short-term memory and is gone once we have no need for it anymore.

As for the other topic (that of the approaches), I'm glad you were able to experience the approaches. Good decision-making as well.

Neil

Yeah, same here. I can't recall one test or major paper that I actually started studying for or working on BEFORE the last day and my grades were pretty good.

I agree though, when you cram like that you retain very little information for the long term.
 
aceflyley said:
Yeah, same here. I can't recall one test or major paper that I actually started studying for or working on BEFORE the last day and my grades were pretty good.

I agree though, when you cram like that you retain very little information for the long term.

I get decent grades (Senior year 3.3gpa) and I NEVER truly study for anything. This morning I had a physics test that I studied 40 min for. True I might not remember anything in 5 days but I've enjoyed having a social life.
 
"I get decent grades (Senior year 3.3gpa) and I NEVER truly study for anything. This morning I had a physics test that I studied 40 min for. True I might not remember anything in 5 days but I've enjoyed having a social life."

Where do you go to school and what's your major? I'm trasferring there!!
 
JRH,

Just curious as to what university you attend? That's great that you got that experience. I'm working on my instrument rating at a university aviation program now and hope I can log some actual like you and your student did.

Keep it up!
 
flyTotheSky said:
Just curious as to what university you attend?

I'm too paranoid to give out that sort of information ;)

Seriously though, I don't like talking about my school. I don't want anybody to think less of my college's program because of something I might say on this board. I also wouldn't want to get in trouble with any of my students/friends/fellow instructors/bosses because of something I say on here, either. Who knows who's listening? I like being able to ramble on about anything I want and not offend anybody.

It's a small Part 61 college program in Washington state. You could probably look through my other posts and figure out where I'm at if you really want to.
 
chris6387 said:
"I get decent grades (Senior year 3.3gpa) and I NEVER truly study for anything. This morning I had a physics test that I studied 40 min for. True I might not remember anything in 5 days but I've enjoyed having a social life."

Where do you go to school and what's your major? I'm trasferring there!!

Aviation, but I'd rather not give out my school's name since I'll be instructing soon and am paranoid like JRH. You could figure it out easy though.
 
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