Flying under a different name

drum4jim

drum4jim

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This may be a dumb question, but for airlines that fly as different airlines (i.e. Colgan Air for U.S. Airways) are the pilots working for Colgan or U.S. Airways? Are they basically flying with the other company’s name on the aircraft? And why do they do this? Thanks.
 
The pilots work for Colgan and they have a contract to provide lift for USAirways.
 
I'm carful to add the "express" but I've given up on actually saying the company name. And what ladies? I haven't found any that don't run away screaming before I get near enough to pimp the three stripes.
 
You work for whoever's company name is on your paychecks.

For my first three years at 'Eagle', technically I was actually employed by Simmons Airlines. Simmons Airlines wrote my paycheck, Simmons Airlines was on my ID. Simmons Airlines operated as American Eagle, along with Wings West Airlines, Executive Airlines, and Flagship Airlines. All the airlines operated under their own operating certificate, and as an employee of Simmons I was not allowed to work an airplane/flight that was operated by any of the other carriers.

In 1998 the operating certificates of 3 of those 4 carriers was merged into one 'single Eagle', American Eagle Airlines. I believe they were merged onto the old Simmons' certificate, as Eagle still retains the MQ airline code. The exception to the single Ealge was Executive, which operates out of SJU. They retain their own operating certificate, though their pilots are now on the single Eagle list, so Exec pilots and AEA pilots are able to transfer freely around the system as bids allow.

Somewhere on the airplane is usually the name of the actual operating carrier. At Ealge the carrier's name was to the right of the boarding door. In small script print was 'Operated by Simmons Airlines'.
 
---You work for whoever's company name is on your paychecks---

It can get even more complicated then that.
 
Kingairer said:
It can get even more complicated then that.
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:yeahthat:
ExpressJet.com said:
ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. operates as Continental Express, the regional provider for Continental Airlines. With service to approximately 152 destinations in the United States, Canada, L.A. and the Caribbean, ExpressJet operates all of Continental’s regional service from its hubs in Houston, New York/Newark and Cleveland, and additional non-hub service. ExpressJet passengers receive efficient service and comfortable leather seating, along with advance seat assignments and OnePass frequent flyer miles that can be redeemed on Continental and partner airlines. ExpressJet Airlines employs approximately 6,800 people and is owned by ExpressJet Holdings, Inc.

ExpressJet Holdings has strategic investments in the air transportation sector, including ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. (operating under the name Continental Express), which serves 152 destinations in the United States, Canada, Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean, and ExpressJet Services, LLC, which provides third-party maintenance services. The company is the sole stockholder of these subsidiaries and also invests in other entities that permit it to leverage the management experience, efficiencies and economies of scale present in its subsidiaries.
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See.. Clear as mud right! :)
 
MQAAord said:
You work for whoever's company name is on your paychecks.

For my first three years at 'Eagle', technically I was actually employed by Simmons Airlines. Simmons Airlines wrote my paycheck, Simmons Airlines was on my ID. Simmons Airlines operated as American Eagle, along with Wings West Airlines, Executive Airlines, and Flagship Airlines. All the airlines operated under their own operating certificate, and as an employee of Simmons I was not allowed to work an airplane/flight that was operated by any of the other carriers.

In 1998 the operating certificates of 3 of those 4 carriers was merged into one 'single Eagle', American Eagle Airlines. I believe they were merged onto the old Simmons' certificate, as Eagle still retains the MQ airline code. The exception to the single Ealge was Executive, which operates out of SJU. They retain their own operating certificate, though their pilots are now on the single Eagle list, so Exec pilots and AEA pilots are able to transfer freely around the system as bids allow.

Somewhere on the airplane is usually the name of the actual operating carrier. At Ealge the carrier's name was to the right of the boarding door. In small script print was 'Operated by Simmons Airlines'.
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(Record sound screeching to a holt) I thought American Eagle was a wholy owned subsidary of AMR Holdings? Not a subcontractor,who is Simmons? I have a friend who flies the ATR out of SJU so he works for Executive and not AE...at least not the wholy owned AE..if their even a wholy owned subsidary. Confused..I am.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
(Record sound screeching to a holt) I thought American Eagle was a wholy owned subsidary of AMR Holdings? Not a subcontractor,who is Simmons? I have a friend who flies the ATR out of SJU so he works for Executive and not AE...at least not the wholy owned AE..if their even a wholy owned subsidary. Confused..I am.
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thats just the certificate they currently fly under most likely.

Take continental express for example, we fly under the brit airways certificate (which is why all our flights show up as BTAxxxx in flight tracking software) which is one of the companies that was combined to form "continental express" before it was IPO'd as ExpressJet.

Its easier to buy a certificate or re-use one than it is to get a brand new certificate.
 
Simmons Airline was/is owned by AMR. American Eagle Airlines and Executive Airlines ARE wholly owned subsidieries.
 
Doug Taylor said:
The pilots work for Colgan and they have a contract to provide lift for USAirways.
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Funny my brother flew to PNS last week on an MD-88 (he said) and they announced it as a Comair flight. Backwards isnt it?
 
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