Flight Training Magzine article on "Sully"

mshunter

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Anyone have a chance to read this. I was appalled at the statements of Mr. Phillips. the second to last paragraph summed it all up for me, what a punk! A man speaks the truth (Sully) and gets shot down for it. And just what is the significance of the 3rd to last paragraph? I would be honored to bring home a fallen soldier. But to put him in the cargo bay is outrageous. I still think that you should be paid well for flying the airplane, regardless of the cargo in the belly.

Mr. Phillips, you are another reason why the industry is what it has become today. Keep sticking with your training dept., rather then seeing what the life of an airplane pilot has become. You have become detached from the day to day life of what a line pilot is. Flying an airplane is work, unlike the last line of your article reads (Being an airline pilot sure beats working for a living"). :mad:
 
Without having a copy of the article it's kind of hard to provide objective commentary.

Question; what are you trying to say about bringing soldiers remains home? How could you carry them on an airliner anywhere other than in cargo?
 
Yeah I read that article too. I've read his stuff for quite a while. He doesn't get paid to write realistic articles, nobody really wants that. The truth isn't sexy. He writes for the idealists at heart.
 
Here it is
Flight Training May 2009
A letter to 'Sully'

Good flying, unfortunate attitude


Dear Capt. Sullenberger,
You have made us so proud!
Although a heart-pounding experience for you, your crew, and your passengers, the awesome outcome of your flight created a sense of pride in each airman, from student pilot to airline transport pilot, that we have not felt in quite some time. We share in your success. We admire you and hope that we could demonstrate that same skill and determination to survive if found in similar situations.



They called it the "Miracle on the Hudson." It was no miracle. You were the linchpin, of course. But, it was also the synergy of well-trained airline professionals, including those outstanding flight attendants; air traffic controllers; first responders; and surprisingly cool, calm, and collected passengers that contributed to the successful outcome. Even Airbus had the brilliant idea of sticking a ditching button right up there on your panel that, with a little push, closed most of the intake and exhaust ports and made the A320 an amphibian, at least for a little while.

But then you rained on our parade. On more than one occasion, you took the media spotlight as an opportunity to grumble a bit about your chosen career path. In the process, your comments tarnished the dreams of legions of aspiring airline pilots deep in training at aviation colleges and academies who are struggling, some incurring tens of thousands of dollars in debt, to realize their dream of flying airliners.

To CBS you said, "I don't know a single professional pilot who would recommend that their children follow in their footsteps." While addressing Congress, you lamented that experienced pilots are quitting because of deep cuts in their pay and benefits. You have sent a false alarm to the public that, unless federal laws are revised to improve labor/management relations, "experienced crews in the cockpit will be a thing of the past."
With all due respect, it is important to remember that yours is simply one viewpoint. Granted, your less-than-rosy perspective is shared by many of your brethren. It's understandable in light of the deep cuts in pay and benefits due in large part to the bad and sometimes selfish decisions of upper management. If there is any solace, Sully, the world's economics have changed and airline pilots are not alone in their suffering. Swing by Detroit some time.

Unfortunately, your commentary adds fuel to a fire that Brian Addis, manager of the aviation program at Inver Hills Community College in Minnesota, rues. He believes that fewer people want to be airline pilots because they have heard nothing but doom and gloom for years. "The public perception is that the airline [industry] has turned very ugly as a place to work and people have shied away from it."

As a counter to your sentiments, read "Career Pilot: Three Wise Men" (July 2007 AOPA Flight Training). After long careers with United, Continental, and American spanning decades, captains Unger, Miller, and Rutherford said that despite the downsides and downsizing, they would do it all over again. As one of your associates confessed recently, "We were spoiled. The thought of paying a guy as much as the president of the United States to fly a Boeing 747 to Tokyo and back a few times a month just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I would be shot by my peers if they heard me say that!"

Jerry Glass, an airline human resources veteran and consultant, said, "Pilots who've been on furlough have enjoyed better times. For pilots coming up through the ranks, this is still a wonderful thing for them." Glass hit the nail on the head. To a regional jet pilot who has never seen a $100,000 salary, locking down an Airbus or Boeing flight deck seat for that kind of money and 14 days off monthly would be heaven on earth.
A huge disservice is rendered in the statement about experience lacking on future flight decks. For every old salt ready to bail from legacy airlines because of discontent is a young man or woman flying eight legs daily in turboprops and regional jets for peanuts who would gladly change places. He or she will have a minimum of 5,000 hours of flight time before taking a seat in an airliner and will have clocked in five to seven years of FAR 121 service. Inexperienced?

It is certainly no revelation that industry hiring has stopped cold and, frankly, it is a little scary right now for someone who has invested $70,000 to $150,000 in an aviation education. Surprisingly, U.S. News & World Report recently stated in its "Best Careers" section that the outlook for employment of aircraft pilots and flight engineers is expected to grow 13 percent through 2016. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 107,000 airline pilots and flight engineers in 2006. Presuming that this country will find its way out of the current recession, it is projected that the airline pilot and flight engineer population will increase to 121,000. We can hope!

It is sad in a way that something has been lost, and that is the realization that airline pilot income arrives in many forms--not all monetarily. This is a true story: As a Delta MD-80 approached the jetway at Mobile, Alabama, there was an eerie silence in the gate area. All embarking passengers were pressed against the glass, transfixed upon the scene on the ramp. The crew neared the cargo bay and stood quietly without movement. The captain and his first officer took off their caps as the military honor guard removed the flag-draped coffin of a fallen soldier. It was an airline pilot who brought this young man home to his wife and family.

There's the joy of departing at sunrise in an EMB-170 or CRJ-700 and being enthralled by the sight of distant mountains through the windshield. How many tots have walked past the open flight deck door and stood in bewilderment that you, an airline pilot, steered that metal beast all the way to Orlando so that they could keep a date with Mickey Mouse? Compare that to the life of a cube dweller.

Nothing that has been stated here is meant to minimize your achievement on January 15, 2009. You are a class act. You deserve the adulation and gratitude of the nation. But, to say that I'm not disappointed in your commentary is untruthful. I hope that you will come to realize what many of your peers still hold as true despite the industry turbulence: Being an airline pilot sure beats working for a living!
Sincerely yours, Wayne Phillips
 
It is sad in a way that something has been lost, and that is the realization that airline pilot income arrives in many forms--not all monetarily.
WTF?!?

The captain and his first officer took off their caps as the military honor guard removed the flag-draped coffin of a fallen soldier. It was an airline pilot who brought this young man home to his wife and family.
A proud moment i'm sure but doesn't feed my family.

ere's the joy of departing at sunrise in an EMB-170 or CRJ-700 and being enthralled by the sight of distant mountains through the windshield. How many tots have walked past the open flight deck door and stood in bewilderment that you, an airline pilot, steered that metal beast all the way to Orlando so that they could keep a date with Mickey Mouse? Compare that to the life of a cube dweller.
Again, neat and all that but does not feed my family.

You can keep your sunrises. I'm HUNGRY. I picked this for a OCCUPATION not a hobby. Am I wrong to expect money for it? Sunrises!! HA...warm and fuzzy don't pay da bills.
 
Yeah I read that article too. I've read his stuff for quite a while. He doesn't get paid to write realistic articles, nobody really wants that. The truth insn't sexy. He writes for the idealists at heart.
If you heard his speech he gave at JU you would be even more appalled. He told everyone in the room to give up on the idea of being a professional pilot because the airlines weren't hiring. As if being an airline pilot was the only way to go.

One of the Captains, who he called by name during his talk, wanted to whip him.

I'm not surprised by this article nor does it endear Mr. Phillips to me.


Those who can, do. Those who can't flight instruct until they have enough hours. Those who can't flight instruct work for the FAA.
 
What credentials does Mr. Phillips have that allow him to address this subject ?
AOPA training always lists the same thing:
FAA inspector
Flies his 182 around Michigan
Boeing 737 Type rating (runs ATOPS www.b737.com)

He has made a career out of showing weekend warriors what its like to "be an airline pilot" and fly the heavy metal.
 
Here it is
Flight Training May 2009
A letter to 'Sully'

Good flying, unfortunate attitude


Jerry Glass, an airline human resources veteran and consultan
t, said, ....

Sincerely yours, Wayne Phillips

Jerry Glass? Jerry Glass? The guy who gutted the USAir pilots contract with the zeal and skill that would amaze an accomplished fish monger?

Jerry Glass 'airline human resources veteran..." That is like calling Frank Lorenzo an airline builder.

Phillips quotes Glass and expects anyone to not see the bias?

JEZ!!!!
 
Appears to me to be the usual Flight Training circle-jerk article.

Yawn!

All the more reason not to continue to support AOPA's Hobby Only centered nonsense.

Sorry AOPA, but some of us actually try to make a living flying planes around - safely.
 
Are you trolling? :confused:
no, my take on the article is that the author is saying that Capt. sullenberger is saying that the benefits of flying have been decline since he started his career. While the author is saying that flying as a career is still a worthwhile profession that pays, maybe not as well as the past, but still pays.
 
no, my take on the article is that the author is saying that Capt. sullenberger is saying that the benefits of flying have been decline since he started his career. While the author is saying that flying as a career is still a worthwhile profession that pays, maybe not as well as the past, but still pays.

Pays what?

Sure, it PAYS. . .of course, it's a job.

But what the author tried to say is:

Yes, the pay isn't what it was. . .but consider the cool sunrises and sunsets you get to see, consider the kids looking at you while they pass the cockpit, consider the free sodas and snacks, consider the "great" places you get to spend the night, consider the enjoyment of climbing out of an OVC layer in your CRJ-200/700/other RJ nonsense, as income.

To that, I say BS. Those items don't pay me, and I sure as hell am not going to have some guy writing for AOPA's flight training propaganda machine to tell me I need to consider those items as income. GTFO.
 
I'm not racing anywhere I stopped just short of my ifr at 200 hours. I can see that there isn't a future for me as a commercial pilot.
 
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