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Yikes.
 
I never flew the 300. I understand that by the time I flew the 100, it had already had a few mods to the brake by wire system. I had no problems with the brakes, however on a few occasions, if you didnt get on the brakes at the same time evenly, you would go into a left/right yawing motion down the runway. It's just a very badly designed brake system.
 
mrivc211 said:
I never flew the 300. I understand that by the time I flew the 100, it had already had a few mods to the brake by wire system. I had no problems with the brakes, however on a few occasions, if you didnt get on the brakes at the same time evenly, you would go into a left/right yawing motion down the runway. It's just a very badly designed brake system.
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I haven't flown the 100, just the 300. Braking performance dry is really good, wet is another story. There are lots of issues at play, and at NetJets we have had a few incidents and the investigations are still pending because there are lots of factors at play, some that will probably shock the industry (sorry I don't mean to be a drama queen but I can't share info on a pending investigation). I will say that it isn't all the fault of the plane as far as shortcomings.
 
digduggy said:
Do you have any more pictures? I am just surprised at how good a shape the wings are in not much crumbling just broke off


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There's not a lot holding those things on and in normal use the attach fittings carry relatively small drag loads and lots of lift loading.
 
They're really lucky the fuselage didn't separate and continue rolling into the river just out of sight in the picture. That plane is a death trap waiting to happen.

Wow I didn't realize it went over the river...
 

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The 300 has approach speeds (typically 109-115 with full flaps) that are extremely close to it's hydroplaning speeds (using the x9 formula, 103-106).

Combine that with electronic brakes that pilots tend to distrust (early issues, especially with the 100, plus a general distrust of electronic anything because zomg technology) and Embraer's insistence on no speed additives for gusts and you can end up with overruns, losses of control, etc.

The brakes are incredible on a dry runway. I've never had an issue with them on contaminated runways, but they are a different animal if you've never used electronic or carbon brakes in the past.
 
That Diamond ;) hit a snow plow, and it took one wing off. This ripped the whole mother-luvin' wing, both sides still attached by the spar, off of the fuselage.

I guess them Brazilians can build a spar, but mounting it to a fuselage, well, that's another issue.

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JeppUpdater said:
The 300 has approach speeds (typically 109-115 with full flaps) that are extremely close to it's hydroplaning speeds (using the x9 formula, 103-106).

Combine that with electronic brakes that pilots tend to distrust (early issues, especially with the 100, plus a general distrust of electronic anything because zomg technology) and Embraer's insistence on no speed additives for gusts and you can end up with overruns, losses of control, etc.

The brakes are incredible on a dry runway. I've never had an issue with them on contaminated runways, but they are a different animal if you've never used electronic or carbon brakes in the past.
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Are they the same brakes from the E-Jet series?
 
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