Flying_Corporal
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What kind of flaps does C172 have? Some say plain, others fowler. Any thoughts?
flaps in C172??
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PhotoPilot
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On a C172, they move backwards and downwards: Fowler.
On a PA38, they are hinged at the bottom and only swing downward: plain.
Of course, I don't have a C172 POH handy and only have about 10 hours in them, so I could be wrong . . .
On a PA38, they are hinged at the bottom and only swing downward: plain.
Of course, I don't have a C172 POH handy and only have about 10 hours in them, so I could be wrong . . .
mtsu_av8er
Well-Known Member
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Cessna built the airplane. I'll agree with Cessna.
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These are the guys that say not to do slips with flaps....
Cessna built the airplane. I'll agree with Cessna.
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These are the guys that say not to do slips with flaps....
Ralgha
Well-Known Member
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Cessna built the airplane. I'll agree with Cessna.
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These are the guys that say not to do slips with flaps....
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They do have a reason for that too.
Someone should call Cessna and see what they say the flap type is. Any takers? Or should I do it?
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Cessna built the airplane. I'll agree with Cessna.
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These are the guys that say not to do slips with flaps....
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They do have a reason for that too.
Someone should call Cessna and see what they say the flap type is. Any takers? Or should I do it?
Ralgha
Well-Known Member
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But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
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So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
[/ QUOTE ]
So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
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But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
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So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
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Yeah, more or less. Just because it is written in a POH doesn't mean it is the law.
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But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
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So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
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Yeah, more or less. Just because it is written in a POH doesn't mean it is the law.
Ralgha
Well-Known Member
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But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
[/ QUOTE ]
So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
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Yeah, more or less. Just because it is written in a POH doesn't mean it is the law.
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Sweet, forget Vne, Vno, Vfe, and all that noise. Full flaps at 105 in the 152 from now on!
24 gallons usable? Bah, that was written by some stupid desk jockey, it'll last until I get to San Fransisco easy!
28 volt electrical system? Whatever, this 14 volt KX155 will work just fine in it, that electrical engineer didn't know what he was talking about.
Says the stall warning is required in the weight and balance list? Obviously they didn't take into account a pilot of unmatched skill and knowledge such as myself, I don't need a worthless stall horn!
Two gigantic dudes reclined in the back seat and no-one in the front? No problem, the weight and balance graphs were drawn by a blind man, like those are right!
I can only afford to put one quart of oil in my engine, but that's ok, Cessna doesn't know what they were talking about. What engine needs a minimum of 6 quarts anyway?
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But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
[/ QUOTE ]
So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
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Yeah, more or less. Just because it is written in a POH doesn't mean it is the law.
[/ QUOTE ]
Sweet, forget Vne, Vno, Vfe, and all that noise. Full flaps at 105 in the 152 from now on!
24 gallons usable? Bah, that was written by some stupid desk jockey, it'll last until I get to San Fransisco easy!
28 volt electrical system? Whatever, this 14 volt KX155 will work just fine in it, that electrical engineer didn't know what he was talking about.
Says the stall warning is required in the weight and balance list? Obviously they didn't take into account a pilot of unmatched skill and knowledge such as myself, I don't need a worthless stall horn!
Two gigantic dudes reclined in the back seat and no-one in the front? No problem, the weight and balance graphs were drawn by a blind man, like those are right!
I can only afford to put one quart of oil in my engine, but that's ok, Cessna doesn't know what they were talking about. What engine needs a minimum of 6 quarts anyway?
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But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
[/ QUOTE ]
So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, more or less. Just because it is written in a POH doesn't mean it is the law.
[/ QUOTE ]
Sweet, forget Vne, Vno, Vfe, and all that noise. Full flaps at 105 in the 152 from now on!
24 gallons usable? Bah, that was written by some stupid desk jockey, it'll last until I get to San Fransisco easy!
28 volt electrical system? Whatever, this 14 volt KX155 will work just fine in it, that electrical engineer didn't know what he was talking about.
Says the stall warning is required in the weight and balance list? Obviously they didn't take into account a pilot of unmatched skill and knowledge such as myself, I don't need a worthless stall horn!
Two gigantic dudes reclined in the back seat and no-one in the front? No problem, the weight and balance graphs were drawn by a blind man, like those are right!
I can only afford to put one quart of oil in my engine, but that's ok, Cessna doesn't know what they were talking about. What engine needs a minimum of 6 quarts anyway?
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Dude!!!
Take it easy. Your getting a little carried away. I just said that Cessna is not the know all of aviation.
Just because it is in their POH, doesn't mean it is true. Comparing the types of flaps and various airspeeds is "comparing apples and oranges".
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But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
[/ QUOTE ]
So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, more or less. Just because it is written in a POH doesn't mean it is the law.
[/ QUOTE ]
Sweet, forget Vne, Vno, Vfe, and all that noise. Full flaps at 105 in the 152 from now on!
24 gallons usable? Bah, that was written by some stupid desk jockey, it'll last until I get to San Fransisco easy!
28 volt electrical system? Whatever, this 14 volt KX155 will work just fine in it, that electrical engineer didn't know what he was talking about.
Says the stall warning is required in the weight and balance list? Obviously they didn't take into account a pilot of unmatched skill and knowledge such as myself, I don't need a worthless stall horn!
Two gigantic dudes reclined in the back seat and no-one in the front? No problem, the weight and balance graphs were drawn by a blind man, like those are right!
I can only afford to put one quart of oil in my engine, but that's ok, Cessna doesn't know what they were talking about. What engine needs a minimum of 6 quarts anyway?
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Dude!!!
Take it easy. Your getting a little carried away. I just said that Cessna is not the know all of aviation.
Just because it is in their POH, doesn't mean it is true. Comparing the types of flaps and various airspeeds is "comparing apples and oranges".
Ralgha
Well-Known Member
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But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
[/ QUOTE ]
So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, more or less. Just because it is written in a POH doesn't mean it is the law.
[/ QUOTE ]
Sweet, forget Vne, Vno, Vfe, and all that noise. Full flaps at 105 in the 152 from now on!
24 gallons usable? Bah, that was written by some stupid desk jockey, it'll last until I get to San Fransisco easy!
28 volt electrical system? Whatever, this 14 volt KX155 will work just fine in it, that electrical engineer didn't know what he was talking about.
Says the stall warning is required in the weight and balance list? Obviously they didn't take into account a pilot of unmatched skill and knowledge such as myself, I don't need a worthless stall horn!
Two gigantic dudes reclined in the back seat and no-one in the front? No problem, the weight and balance graphs were drawn by a blind man, like those are right!
I can only afford to put one quart of oil in my engine, but that's ok, Cessna doesn't know what they were talking about. What engine needs a minimum of 6 quarts anyway?
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Dude!!!
Take it easy. Your getting a little carried away. I just said that Cessna is not the know all of aviation.
Just because it is in their POH, doesn't mean it is true. Comparing the types of flaps and various airspeeds is "comparing apples and oranges".
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Really my point is this. How can you pick and chose what is correct and what is not? Where do you draw the line? If the flap type they give you is wrong, then what else is? Is that the only thing that's wrong? Why? Who decided that? In this country's happy legal environment you can bet they put some care into their POH.
It's like the whole slip with flaps issue. Sure it won't crash the airplane, probably, but it is stated in the POH, and placarded in the airplane (yes I know not all models) to avoid slips with flaps extended. Why decide that this particular thing doesn't matter? Because it's been done before with no ill effects? People have gone over Vne with no ill effects also, should we then start blasting over it too?
What's the reasoning behind selecting what to believe/follow and what not to from the POH?
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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
But some junior engineer/office worker, who may or may not have known what he was talking about wrote the POH. Don't believe everything you read...
[/ QUOTE ]
So that being the case, are we now going to only beleve what we want to from the POH? Sounds like a plan to me, Vne has always slowed me up anyway, screw that, the guy who wrote the book didn't know what he was talking about, lets see how fast we can go!
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, more or less. Just because it is written in a POH doesn't mean it is the law.
[/ QUOTE ]
Sweet, forget Vne, Vno, Vfe, and all that noise. Full flaps at 105 in the 152 from now on!
24 gallons usable? Bah, that was written by some stupid desk jockey, it'll last until I get to San Fransisco easy!
28 volt electrical system? Whatever, this 14 volt KX155 will work just fine in it, that electrical engineer didn't know what he was talking about.
Says the stall warning is required in the weight and balance list? Obviously they didn't take into account a pilot of unmatched skill and knowledge such as myself, I don't need a worthless stall horn!
Two gigantic dudes reclined in the back seat and no-one in the front? No problem, the weight and balance graphs were drawn by a blind man, like those are right!
I can only afford to put one quart of oil in my engine, but that's ok, Cessna doesn't know what they were talking about. What engine needs a minimum of 6 quarts anyway?
[/ QUOTE ]
Dude!!!
Take it easy. Your getting a little carried away. I just said that Cessna is not the know all of aviation.
Just because it is in their POH, doesn't mean it is true. Comparing the types of flaps and various airspeeds is "comparing apples and oranges".
[/ QUOTE ]
Really my point is this. How can you pick and chose what is correct and what is not? Where do you draw the line? If the flap type they give you is wrong, then what else is? Is that the only thing that's wrong? Why? Who decided that? In this country's happy legal environment you can bet they put some care into their POH.
It's like the whole slip with flaps issue. Sure it won't crash the airplane, probably, but it is stated in the POH, and placarded in the airplane (yes I know not all models) to avoid slips with flaps extended. Why decide that this particular thing doesn't matter? Because it's been done before with no ill effects? People have gone over Vne with no ill effects also, should we then start blasting over it too?
What's the reasoning behind selecting what to believe/follow and what not to from the POH?
E_Dawg
Moderator
If the poh said 'go jump off a bridge' would you do it?
How about if it said you can take off in 500 feet, would use a 500 foot runway? Look, no one's saying to go over Vne... just that - like everything else - check before use!
As for the flaps: well Flying_Corporal this is a prime example of it depending on who you ask. To me, if it moves down and back it's a folwer flap. To others, it's slotted because Cessna says so. But really - who gives a sh** as long as the friggin things stay on.
How about if it said you can take off in 500 feet, would use a 500 foot runway? Look, no one's saying to go over Vne... just that - like everything else - check before use!
As for the flaps: well Flying_Corporal this is a prime example of it depending on who you ask. To me, if it moves down and back it's a folwer flap. To others, it's slotted because Cessna says so. But really - who gives a sh** as long as the friggin things stay on.
mtsu_av8er
Well-Known Member
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It's like the whole slip with flaps issue. Sure it won't crash the airplane, probably, but it is stated in the POH, and placarded in the airplane (yes I know not all models) to avoid slips with flaps extended. Why decide that this particular thing doesn't matter?
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because slips with flaps are only placarded for liability reasons. Slips with flaps are a great thing, and I love them!!
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What's the reasoning behind selecting what to believe/follow and what not to from the POH?
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That's what makes us pilots and not robots!!!
It's like the whole slip with flaps issue. Sure it won't crash the airplane, probably, but it is stated in the POH, and placarded in the airplane (yes I know not all models) to avoid slips with flaps extended. Why decide that this particular thing doesn't matter?
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because slips with flaps are only placarded for liability reasons. Slips with flaps are a great thing, and I love them!!
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What's the reasoning behind selecting what to believe/follow and what not to from the POH?
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That's what makes us pilots and not robots!!!
Bumblebee
Commodore
According to the POH "Steep slips should be avoided with flap settings greater than 20degrees due to a slight tendancy for the elevator to oscillate under certain combinations of airspeed, sideslip angle and CG loading."
My read is if you don't know the possible adverse affects, and when you are likely to encounter them don't mess around. If you do, more power to you.
If however, you were to hit the (un)lucky number of factors you could have a bad day!
As far as whether or not to follow a POH for a particular aircraft . . . If you don't you are a test pilot.
My read is if you don't know the possible adverse affects, and when you are likely to encounter them don't mess around. If you do, more power to you.
If however, you were to hit the (un)lucky number of factors you could have a bad day!
As far as whether or not to follow a POH for a particular aircraft . . . If you don't you are a test pilot.