Fistfight over the Atlantic

For those who said, "either they go or I go" I have a question for you. How do explain wanting off the flight? Sick? By asking off the flight are you just passing the problem off to your replacement, which still puts the passengers in an unsafe situation.

I believe something must be said to someone in management, I.E. Chief Pilot, Director of Operations etc. These two need to be off flight status till their problem is resolved.

KF
 
zachpilot said:
For those who said, "either they go or I go" I have a question for you. How do explain wanting off the flight? Sick? By asking off the flight are you just passing the problem off to your replacement, which still puts the passengers in an unsafe situation.

I believe something must be said to someone in management, I.E. Chief Pilot, Director of Operations etc. These two need to be off flight status till their problem is resolved.

KF
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Nah, get off the flight, file a report to C.Y.A. and be ready for the inevitable call from the chief pilot.
 
ready2fly said:
We have (notice I said "have" ...as in he is still here) a captain here who has been fired - twice - for being abusive to FO's. The last time, he actually slapped the FO's hand as he was reaching for a button on the overhead panel.

Yet - they rehired him..... again.

I've recently added my name to the DNF list (not that there's an official DNF list here) because of his irrational behavior in the cockpit.

But, that's a story for another thread.......

Regarding the posted example: I'm with those who said "either they go, or I go". It's a Safety issue. Period.`
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My sim partner in training was like this. His 14K hours to mine seemed to entitle him to putting me down and actually smacking my hand. He left our company before finishing training though. Evidently he's too good of a pilot for us (or he just didn't like procedures??!?).

I also wanted to add that the sim instructor called us BOTH out on this because, when he did that, I told him while we were flying in the sim not to hit me in the hand again. Was that an out of line request??
 
sate said:
What happens if its an RJ, and the CA and FO are at odds over an union issue, and before you know what happened. They both fall out of the flight deck and onto the jetway, just as the gate agent says " you ready to board."
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With my new camera phone, after I've notified airport security and the appropriate airline, whichever flight I take will be free. I have no problems with signing over my phone either to the security personnel or the airline as documentation of the incident, but believe me when I say the airline will understand my desire not to fly THAT particular flight and will compensate me accordingly.
 
OldTownPilot said:
Fist fight, The plane diverts to the nearest suitable airport and both those yahoos don't see the cockpit on my airplane. End of story.

I go on rest and a replacement crew gets flown in to complete the flight. Either that or an entire replacement crew gets flown in and I go home.
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Doug Taylor said:
After the plane lands, either they're being replaced or I'm being replaced.

No thanks man!
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I agree 100%. I won't tolerate that crap. Be a friggin Professional.

-mini
 
I think the pilot who assaults first should be charged and fired because this is the person that has the intentions and the carelessness to start a fight in a cockpit. Especially its more important when they are flying with passengers expecting a safe flight. To the issue about slapping hands, is a captain doing this because of a F/O is making mistakes or the CA is overconfident and cant thrust the F/O?
 
In my short time on this earth, I've noticed that it's pretty much policy with any company that people who get into physical confrontations while on the clock are fired for their actions. I have yet to work for anyone who doesn't have this sort of policy. Allowing such actions creates a dangerous and uncomfortable workplace. When you're in control of an aircraft, this risk multiplies.

I've had to work with people who angered me to the point I would have loved to deck them, but each time I checked that. Anyone with any reasonable amount of control can keep themselves from going to that extreme under all but a few circumstances. If you really can't work with someone, request not to work with them. Hopefully you won't be put in the situation again.

If I was the captain of the flight where this theoretical incident took place, I would report the parties involved immediately. It's unsafe, and safety is the biggest part of flying.
 
The matter will not be reported, as a professional courtesy. Since I'm captain, I'll lay down the law. They will respect each other, and the crew will perform in a professional manner. We will operate the flight back home. However, at the FIRST sign of trouble between them, even if it's verbal, we are diverting to the nearest airfield. They will then get in touch with the Chief Pilot and explain why they're calling from Keflavik.

I'd tell them those are the hard and fast rules, and the situation dictates that there will be no compromise. I'd then leave it up to them to decide if they'll operate the flight back.

It doesn't fit too nicely into the CRM model that we have these days, but at the end of the day the captain may have to be firmer than usual in order to do his duty of managing the crew.
 
cencal83406 said:
I also wanted to add that the sim instructor called us BOTH out on this because, when he did that, I told him while we were flying in the sim not to hit me in the hand again. Was that an out of line request??
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Most certainly not. I'd just say to him "Do that again, and the sim session stops so we can throw down in the parking lot." That should put him in line.
 
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