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I have read on these boards that FSA was currently in the talks with Expressjet and Skywest to setup a similiar program that FSA already has with AE and ASA. I also saw that AE was requestings 20 pilots a month wheres FSA said that they could probaly only supply around 10. For any of you FSA guys is their any truth to this and the fact that they are opening up this program to people from the outside that are quailifed?

Thanks guys
Chad
 
Expressjet and skywest are in negotiations with FSI trying to open up a direct track program. I don't think that the deal is done yet but it is in the works. AE and ASA already have the direct track. A new ASA class just began on Monday with about 11 students. As far as only being able to supply 10 pilots per month---I'm not sure about that. There are 50-60 people on the list so they should be able to supply the pilots no problem. I just heard that AE and FSI are having some money disputes and that is why they haven't started interviewing yet but the deal was supposed to be done last week. The outlook is really good at FSI right now as far as jobs go. A bunch of instructors recently got picked up and FSI is hurting for instructors. The word is that FSI might be hiring off the streets by mid-summer. The other good thing going on down here is that FSI is bringing their Level D ERJ 145 simulator to Vero in August for the direct trackers and for other training purposes. We are all hoping to get a little time in it when it arrives.
 
I am pretty sure that you have to do the CIME program to get involved with Direct Track. Maybe in the future it will open up for outsiders but for right now it is all in-house.
 
ASA is currently going. American Eagle and Flight Safety International are negotiating issues un-related to the academy and that is what is holding up the start of the AATP (advanced airline training program) here at the academy. Should be soon though. Express Jet (formerly Continental Express) has been talking with FSA for a long time about the program. Skywest is in the very beginning stages. They are set to come look at the academy and the program soon, I believe for the first time.

As far as the 60 people on the list for AATP, all of which are FSA grads, there is a considerable drop off rate on call back due to lack of funds, currency, and or continued intrest on the students part. ASA is on a limited basis (about 4 per month). American Eagle has said they would like around 20 per month if FSA can provide. To do this FSA will probably have to open it up to the outside. If you are from the outside and do not mind doing some standardization flights (phase 1 and 2 in program) for review of your flying abilities then contact FSA marketing to inquire about when they might open it up for you.

Hope this helps...ILS
 
>The word is that FSI might be hiring off the streets by mid-summer.

Um that seems unlikely, there are maybe 30 or so instructors on the wait list and most of the high time instructors have already left, only 8 or so high time instructors remain and therefore we're left with a lot of new instructors which probably won't be leaving anytime soon. At the moment multi instructors are in high demand but as new instructors are trained in that area the demand will lessen somewhat. However if enrolements go up that could require more instructors but not enough to warrent hiring outsiders methinks. Just my 2 cents.
 
The number of FSA people on the wait list will not be gone until around December (MAYBE)....I do not think hiring from the outside will happen until maybe next year and probably not then either. FSA people come first and there are plenty of them going through CFI classes now. We just had 10 go through class last month and I believe there are 8 or so in class now (snow would know, he's in it
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ILS
 
Another new stand class just started today. I think thats around the 4th stand class in as many months...
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Scratch that.....they called me today! July 19th
 
>8 or so in class now

It's upto 13 now actually, a fair few new faces too, some of which this is their first course at FSI, some having upwards of 400hrs already, I'd guess there's FSI instructors with less time than that.
 
I rubbed my lucky FSI mug this morning and voila!, I'll be there too! Got the call this morning.

Snow, now I'll finally have a chance to check out that sim that I didn't get to see before I left!

Later...
Dave
 
Not true...After this last round of calls there are still 25 on the list. The next class is in August and by then the list will be back up to around 30++. I wish the list were gone. I would stay and instruct if I thought I was going to see a student before Dec/Jan.

Lets keep the discussion on this topic honest now....
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Not true...After this last round of calls there are still 25 on the list. The next class is in August and by then the list will be back up to around 30++. I wish the list were gone. I would stay and instruct if I thought I was going to see a student before Dec/Jan.

Lets keep the discussion on this topic honest now....
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So there is going to be another class in August after this July class? And what do you mean you are not going to see a student by Dec/Jan? Are the instructors down there not getting any time/students? Please advise because it might influence some peoples decisions on whether or not to accept....
 
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Not true...After this last round of calls there are still 25 on the list. The next class is in August and by then the list will be back up to around 30++. I wish the list were gone. I would stay and instruct if I thought I was going to see a student before Dec/Jan.

Lets keep the discussion on this topic honest now....
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Tonya came into CFI ground today, and the list is almost gone. There are a few that did defer, but the entire list was called for the last stand class. She also said that, seeing as there are only 12 students in CFI ground right now, it is unlikely that there will be 30+ on the list by August. So certainly good news for us! I just hope it continues.

Of course, for all I know you could be in the class with me and know this already...

Grayson
 
I just spoke with Tanya in her office a few days ago. I looked at the list and it had 25 on it. It could be a few less because of the two or so that deferred, but they still want to come later. There are 13 in the current CFI class and another 10-15 that are flying that have not interviewed yet. That is 25+ that will interview sometime this summer or summers end. There will be others starting CFI class throughout the summer. You can plan on a stand class late July or early August and then probably October. The classes are usually made up of 7 or so. Unless they run back to back stand classes the list will regenerate or sustain its self into the fall.

As far as not seeing a student until January. That is for me. If I interview and get on the list now, I will not see stands until probably December. That is a best case scenario according to Mr. Wakefield. Stand class is a month long. Do not forget that FSA is dead most of December.

There are only 7 instructors that meet mins to get hired. Other than those guys, all of the other instructors have fairly new contracts. The instructor hiring will slow down if not come to a screaching hault. The enrollment is not that high. The instructor hiring boom had to do with the regionals and the fact that most of FSA instructors had been here for several years after 9/11. It is a whole new group now.

Most of the instructors have 4-5 students. That will change after a couple of stand classes UNLESS, enrollment jumps this fall.....ILS
 
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I just spoke with Tanya in her office a few days ago. I looked at the list and it had 25 on it.
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You obviously have not been in the loop the last week. There may have been 25 names on the list when you were in her office, but they just called another standz class and had to go through ALL the names to get enough. Actually, they are going to call CFI's that are currently interviewing, and they are talking about an August and Sept class.
 
>Snow, now I'll finally have a chance to check out that >sim .that I didn't get to see before I left!

Sweet! Be good to see you again Dave, in a blue shirt no doubt!

As for 'the list' size I dunno I've heard conflicting stories, but considering I was expecting a 1-2yr wait anything less than that is good in compairson. If I have to wait I'll just start working on my CFII or somthing.

Oh and I might add that not everyone in the CFI class is planning to interview.
 
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