First LSA experience

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I got checked out in a brand new Remos GX this morning...Overall a real fun plane to fly. Landings are a bit different than in a Spamcan (only requires small, and I mean small control inputs), first few were a bit ugly (70 degree right X-wind gusting to 19), but I got it semi dialed in after that. I've set my own limitation (CFI agrees) to a calm day for the first few times I take it out solo just so I can get everything dialed in. As far as airwork, it's just another airplane, the only difference is it's slightly easier to let a wing drop if you're not paying close attention on a power on stall. Overall, a nice break from constantly shooting approaches under the hood. If you have the opportunity to get checked out in an LSA where you live, I reccomend it.
 
Nice! We have 2 LSA's (maybe a 3rd soon) in our schools fleet. A CTLS and a Gobosh G700, both are a blast to fly.
 
Nice! We have 2 LSA's (maybe a 3rd soon) in our schools fleet. A CTLS and a Gobosh G700, both are a blast to fly.

I've always wanted to fly a Gobosh. I went to the big Sebring LSA show 2 years in a row and the plane that impressed me the most (of S-LSA's) was the Gobosh. nice looking airplane
 
Nice! We have 2 LSA's (maybe a 3rd soon) in our schools fleet. A CTLS and a Gobosh G700, both are a blast to fly.

I have flown both. I agree. They are awesome planes.

I use the takeoff technique of the Gobosh sometimes in the King Air :)
 
The 912 is a pretty good engine, my only complaint is the bizarre oil checking procedure.

Agreed. The worse was on the first flight of the day.

As far as CT vs Gobosh, I'm pretty much equal.

The Gobosh is more of a conventional airplane the CT, in that it handles like a lightened up Cherokee. I don't think that the engine is offset, so on takeoff if you apply full power from the get go, full right rudder and tapping on the right brake until you hit 25 kts or so is the only way to go straight down the runway. Lots of P-factor and torque, and not a big enough rudder. One takeoff technique I learned was to bring the power up about halfway until 20 kts and then full power from there. Obviously don't use this on a short strip. I never had this problem with the CT.

The CT is a very slick airplane and can get tricky in crosswind landings. It has a negative flap angle for cruise, which was kind of weird. It had flap settings up to 30 degrees, but we only ever used 15 degrees for landing (never took it into anything under 3500' though). I heard that 30 degrees is like putting the barn doors out and you really have to watch your airspeed.

The CT is faster than the Gobosh if I remember right, but not by much. Maybe 5-10 kts.

The CT has more cargo room than the Gobosh. The seats in the CT take some getting use to, but can be adjusted. The Gobosh seats are not adjustable. I would say that the Gobosh was pretty cramped compared to the CT.

I had a weird electrical problem in a Gobosh while ferrying it from FL to OH last summer. I had just begun my descent into my destination and I noticed my volts were dropping to around 11.5 - 10.5. I increased the power because I thought the alternator wasn't charging the battery, but that didn't work. Apparently it was solved with a new battery. I didn't have any problems after the new battery was installed. The Gobosh also had a weird vibration when the power was pulled back - no one ever figured that one out. It would only happen after the engine had been running for a couple hours. I cruised at about 5100-5200 rpm and right at 5000 it would vibrate. There was a point between 5000 and 5100 that was like an on off switch for the vibrations. It wasn't gradual. Carbs had been synced before I took it, and they were checked by a Rotax certified tech when I had the battery issue. Really strange.

The CT holds far more fuel than the Gobosh (34 gals vs 18.5) and you can fly for 6 hours with a 45 min reserve in the CT, versus about 3 in the Gobosh.

The CT has a Chute, Gobosh does not.

The CT didn't have a very powerful alternator. You had to be really cautious about how long the landing light was on because it overpowered the alternator. REALLY cautious on the ground.

I liked the Dynon glass in the CT. Simple system, with information presented in a simple easy to understand way. The autopilot was okay for an LSA, I guess. Better than no autopilot in the Gobosh. It had "envelope" protection though, which was slightly annoying. If you got too close to 120 kts (VNO) in cruise (or turbulence) it would start pitching up to make sure you didn't over speed. The autopilot could track GPS, hdg, maintain ALT and vertical speed. I was hoping for an IAS/FLCH function, but it didn't have it. The CT I flew had problems with maintaining the connection between the GPS and autopilot. It would kick off and revert to track mode but you wouldn't catch it unless you were scanning the autopilot panel.

The CT's heater sucked at anything below 20 degrees or so.

TIS was nice in both planes, and works with the 496 as long as you have a GTX330 transponder.

The CT was very roll heavy. The factory put springs into the aileron controls on the CTLS because the CTSW was almost too responsive.

The CT has sight gauges for fuel gauges, and they do not work very well. You can only see the fuel level when you have about 8 gallons left in either tank (IIRC).

The Gobosh had a weird problem with its fuel gauge - every time you hit the PTT button, the gauge would go to zero and the dummy light would come on. Not sure if they ever fixed that or not, but the two different airplanes I flew had that problem.

The CT had a handle next to the throttle for brakes, no toe brakes. Took some getting use to, but it worked. The Gobosh had toe brakes and a castering nose wheel. Sometimes the tops of my shoes would get stuck on the bottom of the instrument panel when flying the Gobosh, essentially locking the brake pedal in place. I'm a taller guy and I wear big shoes, so that might've been it. This only occurred when I first flew the plane - when I ferried it back to OH, almost 2 years later, I had no problems.

I think that's about all I can think of now. Both are solid airplanes, and I wouldn't hesitate to fly either one again. Both have their quirks, as all airplanes do.

The 912 is an awesome engine. I have about 50 hours behind the 912 (in the CT and Gobosh) and I have never had a problem. I heard about a guy that took off without an oil cap once, flew 30 miles, landed safely at an airport and the 912 didn't spew one drop of oil.

Overall, I think the Gobosh would be more of an afternoon cruise around the neighborhood airplane, and the CT as a cross country airplane.
 
Agreed. The worse was on the first flight of the day.

As far as CT vs Gobosh, I'm pretty much equal.

The Gobosh is more of a conventional airplane the CT, in that it handles like a lightened up Cherokee. I don't think that the engine is offset, so on takeoff if you apply full power from the get go, full right rudder and tapping on the right brake until you hit 25 kts or so is the only way to go straight down the runway. Lots of P-factor and torque, and not a big enough rudder. One takeoff technique I learned was to bring the power up about halfway until 20 kts and then full power from there. Obviously don't use this on a short strip. I never had this problem with the CT.

The CT is a very slick airplane and can get tricky in crosswind landings. It has a negative flap angle for cruise, which was kind of weird. It had flap settings up to 30 degrees, but we only ever used 15 degrees for landing (never took it into anything under 3500' though). I heard that 30 degrees is like putting the barn doors out and you really have to watch your airspeed.

The CT is faster than the Gobosh if I remember right, but not by much. Maybe 5-10 kts.

The CT has more cargo room than the Gobosh. The seats in the CT take some getting use to, but can be adjusted. The Gobosh seats are not adjustable. I would say that the Gobosh was pretty cramped compared to the CT.

I had a weird electrical problem in a Gobosh while ferrying it from FL to OH last summer. I had just begun my descent into my destination and I noticed my volts were dropping to around 11.5 - 10.5. I increased the power because I thought the alternator wasn't charging the battery, but that didn't work. Apparently it was solved with a new battery. I didn't have any problems after the new battery was installed. The Gobosh also had a weird vibration when the power was pulled back - no one ever figured that one out. It would only happen after the engine had been running for a couple hours. I cruised at about 5100-5200 rpm and right at 5000 it would vibrate. There was a point between 5000 and 5100 that was like an on off switch for the vibrations. It wasn't gradual. Carbs had been synced before I took it, and they were checked by a Rotax certified tech when I had the battery issue. Really strange.

The CT holds far more fuel than the Gobosh (34 gals vs 18.5) and you can fly for 6 hours with a 45 min reserve in the CT, versus about 3 in the Gobosh.

The CT has a Chute, Gobosh does not.

The CT didn't have a very powerful alternator. You had to be really cautious about how long the landing light was on because it overpowered the alternator. REALLY cautious on the ground.

I liked the Dynon glass in the CT. Simple system, with information presented in a simple easy to understand way. The autopilot was okay for an LSA, I guess. Better than no autopilot in the Gobosh. It had "envelope" protection though, which was slightly annoying. If you got too close to 120 kts (VNO) in cruise (or turbulence) it would start pitching up to make sure you didn't over speed. The autopilot could track GPS, hdg, maintain ALT and vertical speed. I was hoping for an IAS/FLCH function, but it didn't have it. The CT I flew had problems with maintaining the connection between the GPS and autopilot. It would kick off and revert to track mode but you wouldn't catch it unless you were scanning the autopilot panel.

The CT's heater sucked at anything below 20 degrees or so.

TIS was nice in both planes, and works with the 496 as long as you have a GTX330 transponder.

The CT was very roll heavy. The factory put springs into the aileron controls on the CTLS because the CTSW was almost too responsive.

The CT has sight gauges for fuel gauges, and they do not work very well. You can only see the fuel level when you have about 8 gallons left in either tank (IIRC).

The Gobosh had a weird problem with its fuel gauge - every time you hit the PTT button, the gauge would go to zero and the dummy light would come on. Not sure if they ever fixed that or not, but the two different airplanes I flew had that problem.

The CT had a handle next to the throttle for brakes, no toe brakes. Took some getting use to, but it worked. The Gobosh had toe brakes and a castering nose wheel. Sometimes the tops of my shoes would get stuck on the bottom of the instrument panel when flying the Gobosh, essentially locking the brake pedal in place. I'm a taller guy and I wear big shoes, so that might've been it. This only occurred when I first flew the plane - when I ferried it back to OH, almost 2 years later, I had no problems.

I think that's about all I can think of now. Both are solid airplanes, and I wouldn't hesitate to fly either one again. Both have their quirks, as all airplanes do.

The 912 is an awesome engine. I have about 50 hours behind the 912 (in the CT and Gobosh) and I have never had a problem. I heard about a guy that took off without an oil cap once, flew 30 miles, landed safely at an airport and the 912 didn't spew one drop of oil.

Overall, I think the Gobosh would be more of an afternoon cruise around the neighborhood airplane, and the CT as a cross country airplane.

Isn't the Dynon great? A very Intuitive system, plus you gotta love the redundency that comes with the back up power source. The Remos had some of the nicest avionics I have seen in a VFR airplane (I normally fly a 1970 VFR Cessna 150 with a single Nav/Comm, so my perspective may be a bit out dated). The Dynon 180, Garmin 496, and Garmin 696 with XM weather.
X-wind landings in the Remos were certaintly tricky, probably for the same reasons the CT is tricky . Much different than the 150s and 172s I've been flying.​
The Remos has a sight guage as well...Not really a huge fan. The hand breaks are also strange, I had to resist the urge to push on the rudder pedals.
 
The 912 is an awesome engine. I have about 50 hours behind the 912 (in the CT and Gobosh) and I have never had a problem. I heard about a guy that took off without an oil cap once, flew 30 miles, landed safely at an airport and the 912 didn't spew one drop of oil.

I've got about 10 hours behind the 912 in airplanes, and another 5 hours in airships with it, and I love the engine. Smooth, easy to use, almost idiot proof.

X-wind landings in the Remos were certaintly tricky, probably for the same reasons the CT is tricky . Much different than the 150s and 172s I've been flying. The Remos has a sight guage as well...Not really a huge fan. The hand breaks are also strange, I had to resist the urge to push on the rudder pedals.

I found the Remos to fly easily in crosswinds, whereas the CTSW I flew was a pain in crosswinds. I was to the point that I'd use almost no flap to land in a stiff crosswind in the CTSW. Perhaps they fixed some of those issues with the CTLS.
 
I found the Remos to fly easily in crosswinds, whereas the CTSW I flew was a pain in crosswinds. I was to the point that I'd use almost no flap to land in a stiff crosswind in the CTSW. Perhaps they fixed some of those issues with the CTLS.
The LS is a lot easier to transition into than the SW. I think the SW's more fun because it's so sensitive and tossable, but some aspects like full flap landings, crosswinds, etc made it more challenging than the LS. The SW is a screamer for a 2 place 100hp airplane though. They spent time tweaking prop pitch and it would do 125-128kt in level flight.
 
Mark - out of curiosity, where in MA do you fly?
What do you think of the Gobosh vs CT?

I instruct out of 7B2.

As far as G700 vs CT, 519AT hit the nail on the head. The only things I'll add is that I don't beleive the CT is a good primary trainer. It's far too fragile vs the Gobosh. We've had a few issues with the CT that would have been an absolute non event in a traditional airplane. The G700 is much more forgiving and flies more like an airplane, if that makes any sense haha The CTLS we have has the Dynon, which is fantastic. The Gobosh has a traditional 6 pack, but the bubble canopy on the Gobosh is so much fun to fly with though. I love having all that visability available to me while flying, makes flying that much more enjoyable. However the Gobosh doesn't have adjustable pedals or seats. It comes with cushions for your back, from very thick to very thin, which is how you adjust your sitting position.

If somebody was looking at purchasing one or the other, as an owner, I would much rather have the CT. It's faster and more fun to fly IMO. Better range and more creature comforts. I've gotten our CTLS to true out right at 115 on about 4 GPH. Just as fast as our Skyhawks but much more economical. For a primary trainer, I would pick the Gobosh
 
I instruct out of 7B2.

As far as G700 vs CT, 519AT hit the nail on the head. The only things I'll add is that I don't beleive the CT is a good primary trainer. It's far too fragile vs the Gobosh. We've had a few issues with the CT that would have been an absolute non event in a traditional airplane. The G700 is much more forgiving and flies more like an airplane, if that makes any sense haha The CTLS we have has the Dynon, which is fantastic. The Gobosh has a traditional 6 pack, but the bubble canopy on the Gobosh is so much fun to fly with though. I love having all that visability available to me while flying, makes flying that much more enjoyable. However the Gobosh doesn't have adjustable pedals or seats. It comes with cushions for your back, from very thick to very thin, which is how you adjust your sitting position.

If somebody was looking at purchasing one or the other, as an owner, I would much rather have the CT. It's faster and more fun to fly IMO. Better range and more creature comforts. I've gotten our CTLS to true out right at 115 on about 4 GPH. Just as fast as our Skyhawks but much more economical. For a primary trainer, I would pick the Gobosh

Great info! I agree the CT is a handful for people to transition into - my primary students who start off in it do fine, and I think the sensitivity and need to use your feet is an asset for learning airmanship. But the SW in particular seems to scare spamcan drivers away. Curious what kinds of issues you've been having? We used to have a lot of sensor problems, but the newer ones seem better in that regard.
Reason I was asking location - my parents' house is in view of the pattern at 6B6 & I may be there for a few days next week. Bit of a drive, but I may head out and check out the Gobosh if time allows.
 
The CT has had a couple issues. A wheel fell off once with an instructor\student while they were in the pattern. They landed safely. About a year later, our first CTLS suffered a hard landing, which ended up tweaking the engine mounts which made the plane unusable for a while. Eventually we upgraded to another CTLS. Everything is good so far though with it! We also had sensor issues in the past but nothing right now that I know of.

6B6 is a cool airport. If you have the chance to go fly the Gobosh, let me know, I'm usually up at the airport 4-5 times a week.
 
wheel fell off? I hate when that happens!

I used to ride my bike to 6B6 when I was 10-12, wander around the ramp checking out interiors, bum rides from whoever was flying, watch the mechanics, and hang out at the restaurant. This was about 25 years before the Politburo took over and mandated that idiotic 'security' fence to drive off anyone interested in airplanes.
 
The LS is a lot easier to transition into than the SW. I think the SW's more fun because it's so sensitive and tossable, but some aspects like full flap landings, crosswinds, etc made it more challenging than the LS. The SW is a screamer for a 2 place 100hp airplane though. They spent time tweaking prop pitch and it would do 125-128kt in level flight.

Oh the SW is a blast to fly in flight. The one I flew had a 2 axis autopilot. Defiantly a lot of fun, just a totally different world in how to land the thing, compared to a 172 or PA28.
 
I ferried a 2007 CTSW from Minneapolis to Orlando. My first experience in an LSA. Great airplane. Very squirly when landing in anything but wind right down the runway. Very comfortable and excellent vision and one heck of a range. You wear out before you run out of fuel.
 
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