Family Sues ATP
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OhioStatePilot
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High_Alpha
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Maybe that was missing a sarcasm tag.
Arizona Republic?
Oh good grief, just when I thought we had a fighting chance at becoming the smartest, most forward looking people on Earth once more, I went to ArizonaRepublic.com and read some of the reader comments.
I'm hoping to escape to Middle Earth and play lots of beer pong with the hobbits in the shire during my exile.
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
Sounds like fun. I have always wanted to see Middle Earth.
N826AW
Jersey Spice
Yes exactly. It's NPR only from now on.
poser765
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come to where a live and i'll show you lower earth.
MidlifeFlyer
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Look at the username. It was definitely missing a sarcasm tag.
That aside...
NTSB preliminary is here: http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20081208X81624&key=1
Very sad. Two CFIs (one a MEI candidate) in the ATP Seminole. CFI and private pilot (getting ready for his instrument checkride) in the Cessna. All dead.
From the Herald story, sound like the folks suing are the parents of the private pilot.
Three CFIs in two airplanes in a high-density training area. I'd be more surprised if there =wasn't= a lawsuit by the next-of-kin of the one guy who was under the hood.
popaviator
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I remember flying through that area about a month ago for my MEI. It is very congested. RIP
wjmiller3
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These were handed out months ago to the instructors. I left ATP in February and we already had them then. Dont get me wrong, it is better than having nothing, but they do have flaws. They do not give the location or direction of the traffic, they just give distance and alt. If you were in a busy area, you may have 5 or 6 hits and the unit only shows one at a time and then scrolls to the next traffic. So it may take a minute or two for the unit to display the traffic that is the danger, while it is scrolling through the traffic that is no factor.
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
I've spent plenty of time in congested training areas without swapping paint with anyone else. There used to be these things called "windows" you'd look out from time to time. Rip the Garmin 10 billion out and use the window. It works good, lasts long time.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
The Mk.I eyeball is actually incredibly horrible at spotting traffic. Once I started flying with TCAS it blew me away how much traffic there is out there. I'd watch the little blue thingers flying around the screen, and even knowing what directly to look in, at what distance and at what altitude I still couldn't find a lot of traffic out there.
The big sky theory probably does more for you than your eyeball does.
BillH
New Member
My friend Andrew never took flying lightly. There was a high wing airplane and a low wing airplane involved, natural blind spots, and Jtrain is very much correct. I have a hard time spotting airplanes that ATC calls out.
I do not want to know what that blood sucking attorney's case is going to be.
I do not want to know what that blood sucking attorney's case is going to be.
beechpilot
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Minnesota_Flyer
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Given how hard it is to spot traffic that ATC has called out for me, I'm not terribly sanguine about the whole see-and-avoid concept.
