FAA changes polished frost policy

Funny this was posted today. I was out scraping the wings of the 206 this morning with my truck's frost scaper...first time I had to do that...Then Mr. Sun helped me out by warming up and finished that last little bit...

Meanwhile the skydivers asked a few questions why we couldn't leave with frost on the wings... They wanted to hurry up and get the tandems done...
 
Hawks said:
Funny this was posted today. I was out scraping the wings of the 206 this morning with my truck's frost scaper...first time I had to do that...Then Mr. Sun helped me out by warming up and finished that last little bit...

Meanwhile the skydivers asked a few questions why we couldn't leave with frost on the wings... They wanted to hurry up and get the tandems done...
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A cheap pair of tarps from Wal-Mart works as a pair of wing covers, better than taking a scraper to the paint. Much easier too.
 
Best, cheapest, and most redneck light plane deice fluid ever:

If it's above freezing (this is the biggest caveat), a nice bucket of regular cold water out of a spicket. Toss that on your frosty surface and insta-clean!


Get-R-Done!!!

And just for re-emphasis, don't try this below freezing, or you're just turning a fuzzy airplane into an ice cube-y airplane.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Best, cheapest, and most redneck light plane deice fluid ever:

If it's above freezing (this is the biggest caveat), a nice bucket of regular cold water out of a spicket. Toss that on your frosty surface and insta-clean!


Get-R-Done!!!

And just for re-emphasis, don't try this below freezing, or you're just turning a fuzzy airplane into an ice cube-y airplane.
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If its below freezing, and the wing covers had water pool underneath and freeze, go down to your local liquor store, and buy yourself some everclear, works great for deicing. Warning, do not ingest.

The hot water trick works well too. If its below freezing, another way is to get a bucket full of hot water, and two rags, a wet rag and a dry rag, melt all of the uneven frost, then wipe it away with the dry rag. This can be time consuming to completely clear the airplane of ice, because you can't do farther than can freeze before you dry it off, and can backfire bigtime if you don't do it right.
 
ppragman said:
If its below freezing, and the wing covers had water pool underneath and freeze, go down to your local liquor store, and buy yourself some everclear, works great for deicing. Warning, do not ingest.

The hot water trick works well too. If its below freezing, another way is to get a bucket full of hot water, and two rags, a wet rag and a dry rag, melt all of the uneven frost, then wipe it away with the dry rag. This can be time consuming to completely clear the airplane of ice, because you can't do farther than can freeze before you dry it off, and can backfire bigtime if you don't do it right.
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Everclear does work quite well, I will second the do not ingest part. I use the hot water trick on the windscreen but I just use lukewarm water, don't need a crack. Gotta be careful where the water goes.

Tarps can be cut down to be wing covers pretty easily, I see it all the time here. It will wear on your paint and it looks pretty ghetto though. Those 'nylon?' wing covers are still the best but expensive. Still better than a ice scraper.
 
My favorite trick is isopropyl alcohol in a spray bottle. Doesn't damage the paint, ice melts on contact, and it clears the sinuses!
 
Hawks said:
Meanwhile the skydivers asked a few questions why we couldn't leave with frost on the wings... They wanted to hurry up and get the tandems done...
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Should've asked them if they were interested in a low-level bailout, since that's likely what they'd have to do if they want to go now.
 
2. Amend Sec. 91.527 by revising paragraphs (a) and (b) to read as
follows:


Sec. 91.527 Operating in icing conditions.

(a) No pilot may take off an airplane that has frost, ice, or snow
adhering to any propeller, windshield, stabilizing or control surface;
to a powerplant installation; or to an airspeed, altimeter, rate of
climb, or flight attitude instrument system or wing, except that
takeoffs may be made with frost under the wing in the area of the fuel
tanks if authorized by the FAA.
(b) No pilot may fly under IFR into known or forecast light or
moderate icing conditions, or under VFR into known light or moderate
icing conditions, unless--
(1) The aircraft has functioning deicing or anti-icing equipment
protecting each rotor blade, propeller, windshield, wing, stabilizing
or control surface, and each airspeed, altimeter, rate of climb, or
flight attitude instrument system;
(2) The airplane has ice protection provisions that meet section 34
of Special Federal Aviation Regulation No. 23; or
(3) The airplane meets transport category airplane type
certification provisions, including the requirements for certification
for flight in icing conditions.
* * * * *
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I've only dealt with frost twice now and I'm suddenly realizing how luck I am!


Nice to see a bit of clarification of known icing debate.
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Rain-X Deicer + Pump action spray bottle + 5 minutes = no more frost.

Type 1 + 1 hour 25 minutes waiting for the line guys at TEB Jet Aviation to walk outside and hose you down = no more frost & late freight.

-mini
 
ppragman said:
If its below freezing, and the wing covers had water pool underneath and freeze, go down to your local liquor store, and buy yourself some everclear, works great for deicing. Warning, do not ingest.

The hot water trick works well too. If its below freezing, another way is to get a bucket full of hot water, and two rags, a wet rag and a dry rag, melt all of the uneven frost, then wipe it away with the dry rag. This can be time consuming to completely clear the airplane of ice, because you can't do farther than can freeze before you dry it off, and can backfire bigtime if you don't do it right.
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I wouldn't suggest warm water, haha. That sounds like a windscreen waiting to crack using anything other than lukewarm/cold from the tap.
 
ppragman said:
91.527 is for fractional ownership programs, probably doesn't apply to your operation
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Not just "fractional ownership programs". Fractionals are indeed included but any large or turbine-powered multiengine airplane is also covered by the regulation.

Subpart F—Large and Turbine-Powered Multiengine Airplanes and Fractional Ownership Program Aircraft
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
I wouldn't suggest warm water, haha. That sounds like a windscreen waiting to crack using anything other than lukewarm/cold from the tap.
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Don't put it on the windscreen (I guess I should have made that a little clearer) clean the windscreen off by hand, or with heat from inside the plane after its started, warm for the rest of the plane.
 
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