Extremely Severe Turbulence Sends People to Hospital

Polar742

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No parts came off. It wasn't extreme.

I flew through that area about that time. There as an AA flight asking for rides. Nothing we felt or heard was above moderate. For some reason though, the ride over Japan always sucks. Even landing. Narita reporting calm winds? Expect to get beat as you cross the coastline.

Gotta feel bad for those hurt and in the crew.
 
GypsyPilot

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I've always been surprised by how overstated most PIREPS are with regards to turbulence. As a pilot based in COS/DEN/ASE, I know what strong turbulence is. I've been in moderate, but never severe. Extreme turbulence? This would be a MUCH different news story.
 
wainscottbl

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Polar742 said:
No parts came off. It wasn't extreme.

I flew through that area about that time. There as an AA flight asking for rides. Nothing we felt or heard was above moderate. For some reason though, the ride over Japan always sucks. Even landing. Narita reporting calm winds? Expect to get beat as you cross the coastline.

Gotta feel bad for those hurt and in the crew.
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Well, you are the pilots, so what do I know? Still for us people in the back, it is considered extreme. Dad in the right seat always says he is not lost, and that the bumps on the road are not that bad. ;) But five or more people in the hospital. Did you see the video? They had it on TV, but the article does not show it. I saw it on TV. It was not just a little. Luggage was flying out of the comparments, things were flying all over, the plane was bouncing like an earthqake. A flight attendant hit her head so heart on the ceiling it broke an exit sign. Of course, you are a pilot, so your measurement is different than the average Joe. I cannot find any video of it, but it will be up on YouTube by next week. I did look for it on YouTube, and this is somewhat common, these severe cases that put people in the hospital and make things fly.
 
ppragman

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GypsyPilot said:
I've always been surprised by how overstated most PIREPS are with regards to turbulence. As a pilot based in COS/DEN/ASE, I know what strong turbulence is. I've been in moderate, but never severe. Extreme turbulence? This would be a MUCH different news story.
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I've been in severe. It was exciting to say the least.
 
Capt. Chaos

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wainscottbl said:
Luggage was flying out of the comparments, things were flying all over, the plane was bouncing like an earthqake.
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That always seemed normal riding into Kodiak.

I would consider it extreme when you can't keep your feet on the pedals, you're just hanging on to the yoke for dear life and the solid state gyro tumbles. Good times.
 
Tommay85

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If you're belted and it doesn't hurt when you hit the bumps, you're in moderate or less. :)

In all seriousness, I think that's loosely the book definition of severe. Nothing happening, just bobbing around: Light. Light strain on the belts, very little control input required: Moderate. Painful strain on the belts, significant control input required, can't read the panel: Severe. Snapping noises and/or loss of control: Extreme.

I agree, I feel like most pireps are exaggerated a bit. I'm a wuss and find moderate to be quite uncomfortable, but it doesn't make it severe just because I think it's scurry. :)
 
A Life Aloft

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wainscottbl said:
Well, you are the pilots, so what do I know? Still for us people in the back, it is considered extreme. Dad in the right seat always says he is not lost, and that the bumps on the road are not that bad. ;) But five or more people in the hospital. Did you see the video? They had it on TV, but the article does not show it. I saw it on TV. It was not just a little. Luggage was flying out of the comparments, things were flying all over, the plane was bouncing like an earthqake. A flight attendant hit her head so heart on the ceiling it broke an exit sign. Of course, you are a pilot, so your measurement is different than the average Joe. I cannot find any video of it, but it will be up on YouTube by next week. I did look for it on YouTube, and this is somewhat common, these severe cases that put people in the hospital and make things fly.
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"Four passengers and one crew member have been transported to local hospitals for further observation and treatment. None of the injuries are life-threatening."

Remember, that there are people who also freak out over a 4.5 earthquake and think it's "extreme" as well.They tell everyone that a cup which simply fell off a shelf went "flying".

A trolley did topple over. WX in that part of the world (especially around Japan) during this time of year can be dodgy obviously and severe storms/winds happen. That is nothing unusual. The aircraft is fine, they landed fine so the flight crew handled the situation, the pax are alive and fine. I am sure it was plenty upsetting for a lot of them, but it's not anything to be hysterical about, in truth. Some people just panic in certain situations which just tends to add to the reactions/emotions of others around them, unfortunately. Kudos to the cabin crew for dealing/coping with the situation. Anything heavy probably only lasted one or two minutes at most, I am betting and they may have experienced a much downgraded turbulence before and after. Hopefully everyone who was injured will recover and be okay.

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A Life Aloft

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Edit: I just found a video.


Like I stated, it's the panic of the pax that causes worse issues for everyone. I don't really see things "flying all over" so much, some items obviously fell though. I don't see any overhead bins opened up either.
 
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Autothrust Blue

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GypsyPilot said:
I've always been surprised by how overstated most PIREPS are with regards to turbulence. As a pilot based in COS/DEN/ASE, I know what strong turbulence is. I've been in moderate, but never severe. Extreme turbulence? This would be a MUCH different news story.
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Moderate sucks. Turbulence that is, uhm, greater than moderate, sucks more.

The Weather Channel, being weather people, should know better than to use "extreme" lightly, but given that they don't really report the weather over there much nowadays, I'm not surprised.
 
wheelsup

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Stuff was thrown everywhere, people were screaming, and IIRC 5 of the injured were crew. Call it whatever you want - smooth, light, mod, severe, extreme - I don't really care but to downplay the significance of the event isn't bright. People - our customers - are in general slightly afraid to fly as it is, this just makes it worse. They had a right to be scared, did you watch the video?
 
SmoothLanderJ

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wheelsup said:
Stuff was thrown everywhere, people were screaming, and IIRC 5 of the injured were crew. Call it whatever you want - smooth, light, mod, severe, extreme - I don't really care but to downplay the significance of the event isn't bright. People - our customers - are in general slightly afraid to fly as it is, this just makes it worse. They had a right to be scared, did you watch the video?
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I totally agree. The people screaming are doing so for a reason and it appears to be a pretty good amount of the passengers in the video. Also, if passengers and crew were injured id say the turbulence was pretty significant to say the least.
 
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chrisreedrules

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The worst turbulence I've ever felt was flying around storms in the mountains of Vermont... At one point I literally felt as if I had little to no control of the airplane. I felt like a child's toy that had been grabbed and was being slammed violently. We were +/-500ft and pushed sideways a couple times. Scared the crap out of me.
 
wainscottbl

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Autothrust Blue said:
Moderate sucks. Turbulence that is, uhm, greater than moderate, sucks more.

The Weather Channel, being weather people, should know better than to use "extreme" lightly, but given that they don't really report the weather over there much nowadays, I'm not surprised.
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LOL! Yeah, hire a bunch of hot women, as if you are Russia Today or something, and then give a new report like CNN. "In London today, the Queen opened Parliament. Oh, and it was rainy, so the Queen got her royal ass inside."
 
Murdoughnut

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Is there really any excuse for not being belted in - it's not as is it was calm and then all of a sudden things got crazy.
 
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