Expect (FL) x minutes after departure

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JordanD

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Did something change in regard to this phraseology? I've noticed the majority of the time I have to pick up a clearance by voice the "expect final altitude in x amount of minutes after departure" is often left out and I'm only read an initial altitude. Did something change or is this just widespread sloppy phraseology?
 
And why are there some airports(Phoenix) that tell you to expect filed altitude in 3 min instead of 10 and then never give it to you and step climb you out in 2k increments to 41k?
 
JordanD said:
Did something change in regard to this phraseology? I've noticed the majority of the time I have to pick up a clearance by voice the "expect final altitude in x amount of minutes after departure" is often left out and I'm only read an initial altitude. Did something change or is this just widespread sloppy phraseology?
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If it's been phased out, that can only be a good thing. It's pretty useless vestigial boilerplate, even if it does convey a very mild legal meaning.
 
Better than SEA, “… expect FLxxx 15 nm after departure.” Is that a 15 nm ring from the airport or 15 nm of ground track when I’m departing 34R on the SUMMA2 and do 15 nm of track making the downwind turn but still well within a 15 nm ring of the field?
 
Karnage said:
Better than SEA, “… expect FLxxx 15 nm after departure.” Is that a 15 nm ring from the airport or 15 nm of ground track when I’m departing 34R on the SUMMA2 and do 15 nm of track making the downwind turn but still well within a 15 nm ring of the field?
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This sounds like a great thing for the Seattle LSC to take up and get an answer to.
 
mikecweb said:
Isn't it just for lost comms?
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In the 21st Century most will be using CPDLC, LDOC, WiFi or SatVoice to establish communication if lost comms after takeoff.

Does anyone fly around with the old knee board and cliff's notes anymore?

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CFI A&P said:
In the 21st Century most will be using CPDLC, LDOC, WiFi or SatVoice to establish communication if lost comms after takeoff.

Does anyone fly around with the old knee board and cliff's notes anymore?

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If you lose comms within 10 minutes or 15nm of departure, who are you going to be talking to with all those things? Not any Tracon or tower in the US. Those are center toys. Well, unless you use wifi or sat to call the clearance delivery phone number, which may or may not be the same facility you’re supposed to be talking to on departure.
 
NovemberEcho said:
If you lose comms within 10 minutes or 15nm of departure, who are you going to be talking to with all those things? Not any Tracon or tower in the US. Those are center toys. Well, unless you use wifi or sat to call the clearance delivery phone number, which may or may not be the same facility you’re supposed to be talking to on departure.
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True, but they are options, not necessarily fast options, but better than blasting off across the country NORDO.
 
CFI A&P said:
In the 21st Century most will be using CPDLC, LDOC, WiFi or SatVoice to establish communication if lost comms after takeoff.

Does anyone fly around with the old knee board and cliff's notes anymore?

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"AVEF, AME" are embossed on my brain pretty well, even now.

In the unlikely event of the complete failure of three VHF radios, both HF radios, one or more satellite phones, and the ship's wifi kit, well, at least there's concepts of a plan.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
"AVEF, AME" are embossed on my brain pretty well, even now.

In the unlikely event of the complete failure of three VHF radios, both HF radios, one or more satellite phones, and the ship's wifi kit, well, at least there's concepts of a plan.
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How very CRAFTy of you.
 
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