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GregCollins2
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10 years from now, new pilots will wonder how we ever flew with those little needles and pointers! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Minnesota_Flyer
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10 years from now, new pilots will wonder how we ever flew with those little needles and pointers! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, but the glass cockpits just really seem like cheating to me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
MF
10 years from now, new pilots will wonder how we ever flew with those little needles and pointers! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, but the glass cockpits just really seem like cheating to me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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mtsu_av8er
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10 years from now, new pilots will wonder how we ever flew with those little needles and pointers! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, but the glass cockpits just really seem like cheating to me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Met met an old, old pilot once that thought that flying in the clouds with gyro instruments was cheating...
"If you have something tellin' you which way is up, where's the challenge?" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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10 years from now, new pilots will wonder how we ever flew with those little needles and pointers! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, but the glass cockpits just really seem like cheating to me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Met met an old, old pilot once that thought that flying in the clouds with gyro instruments was cheating...
"If you have something tellin' you which way is up, where's the challenge?" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
CitationXPVD
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10 years from now, new pilots will wonder how we ever flew with those little needles and pointers! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, but the glass cockpits just really seem like cheating to me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Met met an old, old pilot once that thought that flying in the clouds with gyro instruments was cheating...
"If you have something tellin' you which way is up, where's the challenge?" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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Now thats, "Old School"!
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10 years from now, new pilots will wonder how we ever flew with those little needles and pointers! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, but the glass cockpits just really seem like cheating to me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Met met an old, old pilot once that thought that flying in the clouds with gyro instruments was cheating...
"If you have something tellin' you which way is up, where's the challenge?" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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Now thats, "Old School"!
tonyw
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I'm thinking grumpy old pilots.
"What's with all these electronic gadgets they're putting in planes. In my day, we didn't even have ADF or any radio beacons. No, in my day, we flew by finding light towers. And if you couldn't find one, you'd die. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"
"What's with all these electronic gadgets they're putting in planes. In my day, we didn't even have ADF or any radio beacons. No, in my day, we flew by finding light towers. And if you couldn't find one, you'd die. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"
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I'm thinking grumpy old pilots.
"What's with all these electronic gadgets they're putting in planes. In my day, we didn't even have ADF or any radio beacons. No, in my day, we flew by finding light towers. And if you couldn't find one, you'd die. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"
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I'm picturing Grandpa Simpson saying that, and laughing my @ss off!
I'm thinking grumpy old pilots.
"What's with all these electronic gadgets they're putting in planes. In my day, we didn't even have ADF or any radio beacons. No, in my day, we flew by finding light towers. And if you couldn't find one, you'd die. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"
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I'm picturing Grandpa Simpson saying that, and laughing my @ss off!
Bog
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Raw data, no flight director. Gotta keep it real.
Losing the FMS ... now I'm going to cry. Do they really expect me to pull the charts out?!
Flying the 1900D a few years back, Washington Appch used to forget that we were /A and always tried to give us direct to a waypoint we couldn't do. One of my buddies got them one day when he replied: "Unable on the direct, but we are radar vector equipped."
Losing the FMS ... now I'm going to cry. Do they really expect me to pull the charts out?!
Flying the 1900D a few years back, Washington Appch used to forget that we were /A and always tried to give us direct to a waypoint we couldn't do. One of my buddies got them one day when he replied: "Unable on the direct, but we are radar vector equipped."
mtsu_av8er
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"What's with all these electronic gadgets they're putting in planes. In my day, we didn't even have ADF or any radio beacons. No, in my day, we flew by finding light towers. And if you couldn't find one, you'd die. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"
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"What's with all these electronic gadgets they're putting in planes. In my day, we didn't even have ADF or any radio beacons. No, in my day, we flew by finding light towers. And if you couldn't find one, you'd die. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"
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C650CPT
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Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, but the glass cockpits just really seem like cheating to me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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I had a humbling experience the other day ... I flew a Huey sim with its archaic instruments ( circa 1960s ) ... back to basics No Flight director ... had to "relearn" my instrument scan, never mind I haven't flown a helicopter in almost 3 yers and the helo is a much less stable platform for flying instruments ... plus no autopilot or copilot. The toughest part was doing intersection holding with only one VOR. I'm glad it wasn't a sim check for a job interview ... the first ILS was ugly ... legal but ugly.
I constantly challenge my pilots to hand fly more and exspecially on approaches ... the gee wizz stuff makes a pilot lazy ... which we are by nature. We had a period of time when our autopilot was out and I almost regretted it getting fixed because our pilots were actually getting very good at hand flying again.
Personally I believe trainers should be set up to teach the basics and be so equiped. As pilots advance then introduce advanced avionics. The marketing people at the aircraft manufacturers are out of contoll ...
Jim
Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, but the glass cockpits just really seem like cheating to me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
MF
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I had a humbling experience the other day ... I flew a Huey sim with its archaic instruments ( circa 1960s ) ... back to basics No Flight director ... had to "relearn" my instrument scan, never mind I haven't flown a helicopter in almost 3 yers and the helo is a much less stable platform for flying instruments ... plus no autopilot or copilot. The toughest part was doing intersection holding with only one VOR. I'm glad it wasn't a sim check for a job interview ... the first ILS was ugly ... legal but ugly.
I constantly challenge my pilots to hand fly more and exspecially on approaches ... the gee wizz stuff makes a pilot lazy ... which we are by nature. We had a period of time when our autopilot was out and I almost regretted it getting fixed because our pilots were actually getting very good at hand flying again.
Personally I believe trainers should be set up to teach the basics and be so equiped. As pilots advance then introduce advanced avionics. The marketing people at the aircraft manufacturers are out of contoll ...
Jim
Some of the schools advertise hi tech GPS's EFIS displays, etc.
Heck, in a Cessna the last thing I want is GPS and a EFIS display! The more work you put on that poor alternator with EFIS, monster GPS's and G-whiz gadgets, it's just going to be that much darker when that puppy quits!
Heck, in a Cessna the last thing I want is GPS and a EFIS display! The more work you put on that poor alternator with EFIS, monster GPS's and G-whiz gadgets, it's just going to be that much darker when that puppy quits!
DrBenny
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Heck, in a Cessna the last thing I want is GPS and a EFIS display! The more work you put on that poor alternator with EFIS, monster GPS's and G-whiz gadgets, it's just going to be that much darker when that puppy quits!
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LOL! That's why part of your "survival pack" must include a battery-powered EFB, battery-powered Garmin 296, battery-powered transceiver, and lots of flashlights, with batteries in them, of course.
Didn't you know that technology is simplifying our lives?
Heck, in a Cessna the last thing I want is GPS and a EFIS display! The more work you put on that poor alternator with EFIS, monster GPS's and G-whiz gadgets, it's just going to be that much darker when that puppy quits!
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LOL! That's why part of your "survival pack" must include a battery-powered EFB, battery-powered Garmin 296, battery-powered transceiver, and lots of flashlights, with batteries in them, of course.
Didn't you know that technology is simplifying our lives?
Maximilian_Jenius
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I constantly challenge my pilots to hand fly more and exspecially on approaches ... the gee wizz stuff makes a pilot lazy ... which we are by nature. We had a period of time when our autopilot was out and I almost regretted it getting fixed because our pilots were actually getting very good at hand flying again.
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I sooooooooo agree with that statement. Tho I am only a mere under 200 hr guy I love hand flying.
I was mortified when talking to airline pilots who say they turn on the autopilot after about 800ft.
I want to be an airline pilot and would in foresight like to hand fly up to at least flight level or anything above 18-20 thousand ft.
Though I could see regional pilots perspective having 6 trips in one day hand flying would get very tedious and tiring.
But as an airline pilot (in the future) I'd like to think that I'd want to hand fly both the departure and the approach as much as I physcially could or would want to.
But I am human and inheriently lazy so there'd be times when that glass cockpit with all it's bells and whistles would come in quite handy.
Matthew
I constantly challenge my pilots to hand fly more and exspecially on approaches ... the gee wizz stuff makes a pilot lazy ... which we are by nature. We had a period of time when our autopilot was out and I almost regretted it getting fixed because our pilots were actually getting very good at hand flying again.
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I sooooooooo agree with that statement. Tho I am only a mere under 200 hr guy I love hand flying.
I was mortified when talking to airline pilots who say they turn on the autopilot after about 800ft.
I want to be an airline pilot and would in foresight like to hand fly up to at least flight level or anything above 18-20 thousand ft.
Though I could see regional pilots perspective having 6 trips in one day hand flying would get very tedious and tiring.
But as an airline pilot (in the future) I'd like to think that I'd want to hand fly both the departure and the approach as much as I physcially could or would want to.
But I am human and inheriently lazy so there'd be times when that glass cockpit with all it's bells and whistles would come in quite handy.
Matthew
Bog
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Now that I'm in the left seat and junior on the Captain list, I fly with quite a few FOs who are 1 year or less at the company. Too many have a habit of letting the autopilot do the work, so I simply look at them and say: "A real pilot would handfly this." Does the trick. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Smilecrunch.gif