Envoy Pipeline Instructors Program

Mike Wise

Mike Wise

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From http://www.envoyair.com/careers/pipeline-instructors.aspx,


Envoy has partnered with multiple flight schools to develop a career path from CFI to Regional Airline Pilot. This exciting program gives the pilot a secured position at Envoy while building time towards the ATP minimum flight experience requirements. Not only does the program provide this streamlined career path, but instructors are hired and employed by Envoy while they are still instructing!

Qualifications
Applicants must have the following to be considered for an interview for the pipeline program:
  • Commercial Pilot Certification with multi-engine and instrument ratings
  • Current FAA First Class Medical
  • FCC License
  • Legal right to work in the United States
  • Valid passport with the ability to travel in and out of the United States and to all cities/countries served
  • Willing and able to work nights, holidays, weekends and overnight trips
  • Must be able to read, write, fluently speak and understand the English language
Applying to the pipeline program is simple! Complete an application on www.AirlineApps.com and then send an email with your resume to Pipeline.Instructor@aa.com. Applicants will be flown to Fort Worth, TX for an interview with Envoy; subsequent interviews for successful candidates will be conducted by one of the partner schools.


Does this mean they will pay/train you for your CFI? Is anyone here on JC currently apart of this program?

 
I have two friends in the program right now. No, they don't pay for your CFI, but they will employ you as a CFI through any of the schools they partner with, and they make the transition to flying for them seamless once you get your time.
 
If you sign up for it, you get flight benefits as well as a few other things. The problem is, if you decide to not to go to Envoy, you have to pay them $$$. I think it is $5,000.
 
The bonus doesn't get paid until you go to training, and then when you do go to training, it's paid out monthly over a 2 year span. I'm not sure what the ramifications are of leaving after joining the pipeline program.
 
Mike Wise said:
Does this mean they will pay/train you for your CFI? Is anyone here on JC currently apart of this program?
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No. They do not pay for your cfi. I was also curious about that a while back. I emailed their HR department. I tried to find the reply in my mail box but I must have deleted it.

It basically said; "sorry for the misunderstanding, we do not offer cfi training nor do we pay for cfi training."
 
JustinS said:
The bonus doesn't get paid until you go to training, and then when you do go to training, it's paid out monthly over a 2 year span. I'm not sure what the ramifications are of leaving after joining the pipeline program.
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It's "rumored" that if you use flight benefits while employed as a pipeline instructor and DO NOT go to First Officer training, they will make you pay back a portion of the flights value that you used. That could add up to a lot if you fly all over on your days off!
 
There was a guy in my regional indoc class that had been in the pipeline program, and he said that he had to pay them money. I really didn't get the details, but am interested in what the commitment is.
 
That said, I would not recommend doing the pipeline program unless you fully intend to work at Envoy. When entering the pipeline program, you're employed by Envoy. It could be difficult to explain to a future employer why you were employed at an airline for such a short time.

IMO the entire idea behind the pipeline is to lock people in and make it harder to leave.
 
Other airlines have been coming to our campus and conducting on-site hiring of CFIs who don't even meet ATP mins yet. Not sure why I would want to lock myself into one airline.
 
scooter2525 said:
Do they get a señoritay number?

I don't want to fix my autocorrect.
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That's the only reason I could imagine locking into any particular regional. At the airlines, do new-hires receive their seniority numbers at the date of hire or on their class dates?
 
Mike Wise said:
That's the only reason I could imagine locking into any particular regional. At the airlines, do new-hires receive their seniority numbers at the date of hire or on their class dates?
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I'm not sure how you describe it, but they do get an employee number. It only counts for vacation accrual time, and counts as "seniority" when in class. Assuming you're competing with no other pipeline new hires in your class, you would be top of the class. It does not however, give you seniority among the active pilot group. So while you're instructing you're not building seniority that would help you hold a line sooner...
 
Mike Wise said:
That's the only reason I could imagine locking into any particular regional. At the airlines, do new-hires receive their seniority numbers at the date of hire or on their class dates?
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NO. You do get a "company seniority number" but pilot seniority number is assigned when you actually start training for the airline. The pipeline does not shorten your upgrade time. The way regional airlines are hiring right now, if you do a pipeline program, in my opinion, you are an idiot. You will have no problem getting hired once you have the time, being a "pipeline instructor" just takes away the ability to choose where you go down the road, and forfeits your signing bonus.
 
wbauman1217 said:
NO. You do get a "company seniority number" but pilot seniority number is assigned when you actually start training for the airline. The pipeline does not shorten your upgrade time. The way regional airlines are hiring right now, if you do a pipeline program, in my opinion, you are an idiot. You will have no problem getting hired once you have the time, being a "pipeline instructor" just takes away the ability to choose where you go down the road, and forfeits your signing bonus.
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Yeah.

I was a chief instructor at a school for many years and I saw a lot of instructors come and go. Your Idea of what you want to do at 250 hours and what you want to do at 1500 hours usually changes quite a bit.

Hell, you could even fall into a sweet corporate job before 1500. Then you are stuck with a contract from a regional.

Seems like a bad choice in this aviation landscape. Way too many choices.
 
A pro-rated pipeline program. You know, this was definitely designed to make you beholden to the company and I see no real benefit. Clever trap to obtain employees.

Get your CFI, get your time, and you can go rack up the regional job offers over a long weekend. Basically, if you have the time and a pulse you can work wherever you want right now.
 
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