Emergency landing on I5, Carlsbad
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trafficinsight
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My exit too.
Autothrust Blue
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Many happy CLD layovers, for sure. Glad the pilot put it on the freeway instead of trying to press for the field.
Fixtur
Dunning-Kruger Expert
Right up the road from me!
Smoke in cockpit? Why not fly the extra 30 seconds and land RWY6 at CRQ? Where he put down is less than 2 miles from the approach end.
I thought for sure it was an engine failure on takeoff when I first heard about it.
edit: ahh. Engine trouble and smoke. I wasn’t there, but if my choice is limp it to a runway or put down on the five at the end of rush hour...
Smoke in cockpit? Why not fly the extra 30 seconds and land RWY6 at CRQ? Where he put down is less than 2 miles from the approach end.
I thought for sure it was an engine failure on takeoff when I first heard about it.
edit: ahh. Engine trouble and smoke. I wasn’t there, but if my choice is limp it to a runway or put down on the five at the end of rush hour...
bLizZuE
Calling for engine starts en français
I would like you to drive your car an extra 30 seconds with smoke filling the cabin and then we can talk about your ability to fly an extra 30 seconds with the same issue.
Usually smoke inhalation incapacitates you before the landing or crash so the priority is getting on the ground wherever you can.
Usually smoke inhalation incapacitates you before the landing or crash so the priority is getting on the ground wherever you can.
A
Adler
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In the cargo days, in the sim we trained smoke in the cockpit was a get the plane down as fast as you can event. Break every limitation and FAR, blow the tires, bend a wing....who cares. Get it on the ground now and survive.
bLizZuE
Calling for engine starts en français
One of my CFI tricks was to fail a students engine and then start a timer and say “smoke is now filling the cockpit.” Never once did a student push the nose over for Vno to get on the ground quickly. They all leveled the wings, held altitude until best glide, and gently floated towards the ground.
Excellent teaching moment.
Cessnaflyer
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I don’t know if I would want to come up short anywhere around Carlsbad
T/O w/FSII
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That’s a good way to die.
This crew spent 4 minutes trying to trouble shoot to see if they were really on fire or not.
They landed successfully and came to a stop on the runway. Then all 301 people and crew died.
That 4 minutes would have changed everything.
Saudia Flight 163 - Wikipedia
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Autothrust Blue
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It is still that way in most circles, if not express than implied. Red "LAND ASAP" implies that (sort of; especially with smoke, fire or life-threatening).
Beaglevoy had a big, bold-face thing in the Smoke/Fumes/Fire-Electrical procedure on the 145:
KKochan
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Cool. Let us know the next time you have an inflight emergency and how it goes. I bet you’ll do great boss.
Hammertime
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You are the one that started the armchair quarterbacking, ace.
Never, ever, fly the plane one second farther that you have to if you think it's on fire. Never, ever hesitate to do a go around if you even think you don't like the looks of this one. AND, don't armchair quarterback those that do. The correct response is: Well done! Glad you walked away from that one!
A buddy of mine was pilot for this one Accident Piper PA-28-161 N96PF, 13 Jul 2002 A Piper Warrior at night with 3 pax, Dallas Addison to Oklahoma City Wiley Post, when panel lights began flickering and smoke began filling the cabin. He had just checked in with OKC Approach, so he declared, shut off all electrical except COM1 & XPONDER, and diverted to Purcell Chandler muni. Rear pax complained that their seat was hot so he diverted to I-35. As he started to flare he turned on the landing light, saw an overpass directly ahead, ballooned over it and landed in the NB lanes. When the rear pax got up, he said their seat cover ignited like the map in the opening scene of Bonanza.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Curious, assuming time is the same when on fire to reach a highway or reach an open field, why not an open field? Doesn't the highway present cars and other moving obstacles that create further risk, not to mention more casualties?
I'm trying to think a couple years ago, I think it was near Carlsbad? A guy pulled over on the side of a highway to change his tire. And then was killed by a Cessna doing an emergency landing. Or, maybe it was the passenger in the rear seat of the car. I don't recall. What I remember is there was a discussion here on JC and at least one person said they'd never pull over on the side of a highway to change a tire, always take the next exit (I agree with that suggestion). Still, it was unfortunate a life was lost.
Just like a guy in the Carolinas making an emergency landing on a beach after an engine failure, the wing took out a father and young daughter that were walking. 2 dead. Pilot survived.
Highway vs field. I understand a single engine prop is different than a DC9 jetliner, but that is precisely what happened to Southern 242. Flew through a storm, surged and damaged both engines, failed, and it was gliding. They tried to make Dobbins AFB near ATL and couldn't. The CA said he'd look for an open field. The FO (forcefully) said NO. The Captain said again lets go for a field. The FO again yelled NO. So they went with a highway. Problem was the highway they chose had pine trees on both sides. Wings took a beating. Ripped open, fire damage. Took out some cars (including a family of 6 in one car). And of course hit a gas station. I think in the end 9 people died on the ground and only 20 survived on the plane (majority of people on the plane perished). Now in retrospect, their chances of pulling off a landing on an open field would have most likely had a much higher success rate. No one on the ground would have died, and the airplane could have gone through the crash sequence with wings intact and no trees to hit.
I'm trying to think a couple years ago, I think it was near Carlsbad? A guy pulled over on the side of a highway to change his tire. And then was killed by a Cessna doing an emergency landing. Or, maybe it was the passenger in the rear seat of the car. I don't recall. What I remember is there was a discussion here on JC and at least one person said they'd never pull over on the side of a highway to change a tire, always take the next exit (I agree with that suggestion). Still, it was unfortunate a life was lost.
Just like a guy in the Carolinas making an emergency landing on a beach after an engine failure, the wing took out a father and young daughter that were walking. 2 dead. Pilot survived.
Highway vs field. I understand a single engine prop is different than a DC9 jetliner, but that is precisely what happened to Southern 242. Flew through a storm, surged and damaged both engines, failed, and it was gliding. They tried to make Dobbins AFB near ATL and couldn't. The CA said he'd look for an open field. The FO (forcefully) said NO. The Captain said again lets go for a field. The FO again yelled NO. So they went with a highway. Problem was the highway they chose had pine trees on both sides. Wings took a beating. Ripped open, fire damage. Took out some cars (including a family of 6 in one car). And of course hit a gas station. I think in the end 9 people died on the ground and only 20 survived on the plane (majority of people on the plane perished). Now in retrospect, their chances of pulling off a landing on an open field would have most likely had a much higher success rate. No one on the ground would have died, and the airplane could have gone through the crash sequence with wings intact and no trees to hit.
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etflies
Keeping calm, Chiving on.
The terrain in most of, but especially that part of San Diego isn't conducive to successful off airport adventures. The terrain is far too uneven, and what isn't a canyon or steep hill is a densely populated neighborhood. Assuming you can't make a runway/taxiway or the beach, your best options really are the freeways and/or large surface streets. Maybe a golf course but that would be dicey at best.
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Fixtur
Dunning-Kruger Expert
None of what I posted was a criticism of the pilot. It was a public musing of “what would I do if faced with the same situation?”
As was pointed out above, off airport landings around here (at night) are really sketchy. The freeway would be fairly low on my list of options, especially if I knew I was essentially mile left base from a runway and I had the wind helping me get there.
So, having failed to say it before: good job, pilot. Well flown.
As was pointed out above, off airport landings around here (at night) are really sketchy. The freeway would be fairly low on my list of options, especially if I knew I was essentially mile left base from a runway and I had the wind helping me get there.
So, having failed to say it before: good job, pilot. Well flown.