Dyanmic Vmc vs. Static Vmc

TopGunn

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All you MEI's out there, i need a little help in understanding the difference as i am currently working towards my CMEL.
I have scoured Airplane flying handbook and walked away with confusion. If any one can recommend any further reading, that will be appreciated. If no references available, kindly enter your explanation on the topic in the response.


Regards,
 
Not 100% sure if I am reading what you said right but I'll give it a shot.

Static Vmc is the red line on your A/S indicator. It is set under specific circumstances such as a standard day and they don't change.

The reality is that flying conditions are rarely standard. Maybe your critical engine didn't fail. You could have a negative DA leading to a higher Vmc. And so on.

Dynamic Vmc is your actual Vmc, but it changes with so many factors that it won't stay the same. Most of the time Vmc will remain below the red line, but some days it could be well above red line such as on a cold day with an aft cg and heavy airplane. Vmc can also drop below stall due to increased altitude which will cause an unfavourable situation where if you were to get slow you would stall first and most likely flat spin if you aren't quick on the recovery. This is why your MEI should be telling you to recover from your Vmc demo at either the loss of directional control or at the indication of a stall.
 
Not 100% sure if I am reading what you said right but I'll give it a shot.

Static Vmc is the red line on your A/S indicator. It is set under specific circumstances such as a standard day and they don't change.

The reality is that flying conditions are rarely standard. Maybe your critical engine didn't fail. You could have a negative DA leading to a higher Vmc. And so on.

Dynamic Vmc is your actual Vmc, but it changes with so many factors that it won't stay the same. Most of the time Vmc will remain below the red line, but some days it could be well above red line such as on a cold day with an aft cg and heavy airplane. Vmc can also drop below stall due to increased altitude which will cause an unfavourable situation where if you were to get slow you would stall first and most likely flat spin if you aren't quick on the recovery. This is why your MEI should be telling you to recover from your Vmc demo at either the loss of directional control or at the indication of a stall.

This is only true at or very near the point where Vmc and stall speed meet. If you are deep into the area where you meet stall speed first and Vmc is very low you will likely have to use alot of rudder as you approach the stall, but (by definition of Vmc) you still have enough rudder authority to keep the nose straight. I am in no way advocating doing single engine stalls, and I would not do them myself, but until you slow to Vmc speed you have the rudder authority to keep the nose straight, when you stall you don't lose rudder that rudder authority.
 
All you MEI's out there, i need a little help in understanding the difference as i am currently working towards my CMEL.
I have scoured Airplane flying handbook and walked away with confusion. If any one can recommend any further reading, that will be appreciated. If no references available, kindly enter your explanation on the topic in the response.


Regards,

I have never heard it referenced as "static" or "dynamic" Vmc, I have always simply said "actual" or "published" Vmc.

As for published Vmc, this is the configuration that the manufacturer has to use to get the red line that is published on your airspeed indicator. The configuration is: Gear up, flaps takeoff, trim takeoff, critical engine failed, full sea level ISA power on the good engine, prop windmilling, max gross weight, aft CG, and no more than 5* of bank and 150lbs of rudder force. When set to this configuration the aircraft will Vmc at the red line published speed. It is important to note that the set up for this is essentially takeoff right after gear retraction. There are some exceptions, such as for aircraft with auto feather in which case they can allow the prop to be feathered for the demonstration.

Actual Vmc though is almost always different. The most important factor is power, if the power is at idle the aircraft virtually cannot and will not ever Vmc, it doesn't matter how slow you go there is no asymetrical thrust causing rotation, this is why the response to a loss of directional control on one engine is to reduce power. The second biggest factor is the position of the controls, if you don't go fully to the limits or don't move the controls at all Vmc will be substantially higher. Third biggest factor is a feathered prop, if you feather the engine the drag is decreased tremendously and therefore Vmc is much lower than published.

Other factors are, zero sideslip, which not only increases performance (not something to tie to Vmc) but also increases the AOA of the rudder and increases controllability. If you draw the vertical stabilizer with the rudder off to one side and remember that AOA (ie lift) is the leading edge to the trailing edge you will see that in a slipping condition with the wind hitting the stabilizer at an angle the AOA is reduced, when you get that 2-3* of bank and half ball to the good engine zero sideslip the relative wind flows straight down the fuselage and the AOA of the tail is increased creating greater controllability and a lower actual Vmc.

Gear position and its effects vary. Imagine throwing a dart with the feathers first, the dart will flip around because the drag wants to be behind the CG. Same goes for an airplane and for tricycle gear aircraft the two main gear down behind the CG create stablity and therefore reduce the rudder required and decrease Vmc. If you take a DC3 on the other hand, the drag is in front of the CG which is a negative. Same goes for the flaps! The drag of the flaps is aft of the CG and therefore good for Vmc.

Aft CG shortens the arm that the rudder has to work through (shorter crowbar) and increases Vmc. The critical engine causes greater turning forces and therefore an increased Vmc.

Lastly is density altitude (assuming a normally aspirated engine) as you climb there is reduced power output and therefore a lower Vmc speed.
 
I have never heard it referenced as "static" or "dynamic" Vmc, I have always simply said "actual" or "published" Vmc.

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It is referred as Dynamic or Static Vmc in Airplane flying handbook. Nevertheless, thank you for your explanation. I notcie you have deep passion for Vmc's
 
Deep passion might not be the best explanation for it :D, rather I used to teach alot of Commerical Multi students and thad to teach it a lot. Failures were not uncommon for students who couldn't explain just one item of actual Vmc :/ so I put alot of emphasis on it with my students and never had one fail.
 
I think there is a little confusion here. Static Vmc is the speed at which the when the aircraft is staticly stable, full directional control is required to maintain steady flight. This is what we demonstrate on a multiengine checkride. The aircraft is configured, one engine is brought to idle and the other side power is increased. The airplane is then slowed (typically 1 knot per second) until full controls are required. Dynamic Vmc is the speed at which full controls do not arrest an angle of bank or sideslip increase during a throttle chop. This is performed by first configuring the aircraft then slowing dual engine just above Vmc. One throttle is then chopped and the other is placed to full power. After 2 sec recovery controls are inputted. For flight test we start well above the calculated Vmc number and slowly build down in airspeed until we reach Vmc. This is highly dangerous in the since that any chop below Vmc can lead to a departure. We utilize test pilots and ground telemetry monitoring. Defiantly not something you want to try on your own. The red line marking is developed by the aircraft under FAR 23.149 which states:
1. Standard atmosphere.
2. Most unfavorable CG and weight.
3. Out of ground effect.
4. Critical engine INOP
5. Bank no more than 5° towards operating engine.
6. Max available takeoff power on each engine initially
7. Trimmed for takeoff.
8. Wing flaps set to takeoff position.
9. Cowl flaps set to takeoff position.
10. Landing gear retracted.
11. All propeller controls in takeoff position. (INOP engine windmilling)
12. Rudder force required by the pilot to maintain control must not exceed 150 pounds.
13. It must be possible to maintain heading ±°20.

So if you actual in flight Vmc will vary based on all these conditions.
 
I think there is a little confusion here. Static Vmc is the speed at which the when the aircraft is staticly stable, full directional control is required to maintain steady flight. This is what we demonstrate on a multiengine checkride. The aircraft is configured, one engine is brought to idle and the other side power is increased. The airplane is then slowed (typically 1 knot per second) until full controls are required. Dynamic Vmc is the speed at which full controls do not arrest an angle of bank or sideslip increase during a throttle chop. This is performed by first configuring the aircraft then slowing dual engine just above Vmc. One throttle is then chopped and the other is placed to full power. After 2 sec recovery controls are inputted. For flight test we start well above the calculated Vmc number and slowly build down in airspeed until we reach Vmc. This is highly dangerous in the since that any chop below Vmc can lead to a departure. We utilize test pilots and ground telemetry monitoring. Defiantly not something you want to try on your own. The red line marking is developed by the aircraft under FAR 23.149 which states:
1. Standard atmosphere.
2. Most unfavorable CG and weight.
3. Out of ground effect.
4. Critical engine INOP
5. Bank no more than 5° towards operating engine.
6. Max available takeoff power on each engine initially
7. Trimmed for takeoff.
8. Wing flaps set to takeoff position.
9. Cowl flaps set to takeoff position.
10. Landing gear retracted.
11. All propeller controls in takeoff position. (INOP engine windmilling)
12. Rudder force required by the pilot to maintain control must not exceed 150 pounds.
13. It must be possible to maintain heading ±°20.

So if you actual in flight Vmc will vary based on all these conditions.

Thank you for the great response.

another source of info on the matter is AC 23-8 skip to page 77 and start from there.

AC23-8b part1

& thanks for the great link.
 
All of the above conditions are the conditions the aircraft is under when Vmc is established by the manufacturer. If you change any of those conditions (except 1), then Vmc will decrease!! The one that will not cause it to decrease is Elimitating sideslip or banking to good engine. THis one, if not accomplished is the factor that will cause Vmc to increase dramatically. Up to 3 kts for every degree of bank away from that which is required to eliminate sideslip. Wherever Vmc is on your airspeed indicator, remember, that is the worst case scenario with regards to the above factors. (except eliminating sideslip) It does not account for someone afraid to put the rudder all the way to the floor (which I have witnessed on many a checkride in a light twin).
 
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