Don't Do This!

mrivc211

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Don\'t Do This!

I wanted to share a story with you folks about one of my students. Obviously his name will be left out, but for our purposes we'll call him Jim.

Well, when Jim came to me about 3 months ago, he seemed like a typical 19 year old teenager. A little slow, a little goofy, and a little slurred in the voice. He came to me very interested in getting his PPL, and wanted to know what his options were with regards to financing. I told him about our loans that we offer thru out institution, and he applied. When he was declined, I thought he would drift away because he didn't have the finds availible for flying. Low and behold, he emerged two weeks later ready to start, with some money he had saved up from working hard for two weeks(His parents also gave him an early b-day gift for 10 lessons
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We started out with the basics, and as we progessed thru his training, he would always show up to the next lesson, prepared with questions. The thing about Jim was, you looked at him and thought, 19 year old kid that smokes pot after school with his friends and rides his skateboard all day long. But, perceptions can be misleading. And as long as he would show up everyday ready an willing, so would I.

During our lessons, I couldn't help but notice Jim's hands. They were covered in all types of tattoos. They sord of painted a picture of his past. Though only at the age of 19, it seemed there was more to Jim than what he was telling me. After a few weeks of training and growing closer to him, he felt comfortable enough to tell me that he was a recovering alcoholic. I paused for about 5 seconds and said, "WHAT? But your only 19! " He smiled and said, yup, I am.

I'm not perfect, and I"m sure neither are most people out there, so despite what he had done in the past, everyone has a chance to start over. That is what it seemed as though Jim had done. Started over. I was skeptical after hearing his. Never to his face, but inside, I always wondered how far this kid could go.

Jim soloed last week! He was very excited, as was I. I was happy to see him get this far in his training, after all he had been thru. About a month ago, while taxing out to the runway, he turned to me and asked whether the airlines cared much for tattoos. I gave him an honest answer and said, I probably think they wouldn't like them too much if they were visible. I also told him how they were always removable, and that if you wanted something bad enough, you would let nothing stand in your way.

Well, I got a phone call from Jim today. He informed me that he had received a phone call from the FAA inquiring about his medical certificate. You see, when Jim was a minor, about 16 years old, he was caught with a DUI. Since his age was 16, the courts sealed his papers and he figured it was behind him. Well, a few weeks ago, when Jim went to take his FAA medical exam, he had been asked whether he had ever been convicted of a DUI, and he marked no. He thought those papers were sealed and no one would be the wiser. NOT SO FAST. Turns out, the FAA did find out about it. And they weren't too happy about it.

So now Jim has to wait until next week and find out the outcome of this matter. Whats the worst that can happen? They take away his medical? Which would mean he wouldn't be able to fly. Which would mean he would never have the chance to even think abotu a job with an airline some day. YES. It can happen, and it very well may. This kid, who made some stupid decisions not too long ago, has to suffer the consequences for the rest of his life.

DON"T BE HIM!
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(I hate to end the story like that but I'll do it intentionally to let you think about the drastic consequences further down the line, as well as for reasons I can't think of)


Omar
 
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Omar --

Thank you for sharing that. It really opens up my eyes wider and makes me want to strive even harder to keep this perfect record going. Thanks.
 
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Moving violations aren't sealed. A DUI is not a felony. It's been a while since I was in the insurance industry, but last I checked they are easily found by a C.L.U.E. report.
 
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I do feel sorry for that kid. My brother got into trouble in his younger years. His life is not "his own" at times. The restrictions can be tiresome and devastating.
 
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We'll I think he may be in for more trouble than he thinks.
This same scenario happened to a student of mine. He got a DUI when he was 18, he is now 31. 13 years in the past he thought it was a non-issue would never come up and didn't report it on his medical.
After he passed his private ride the FAA ran his records and basically stripped him of his ticket. He did the whole thing with an aviation lawyer to no avail. They claimed he was a danger to the public, a liar, and that was the end of it. They were very aggressive and he was pronounced quilty and had little opportunity to plead his case. All for a mistake made when he was a teenager...........
 
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man... that's too bad.. especially when they're trying to turn their lives around....I hope it doesn't lead him back into the life he just got out of!! that would be awful & scary...
 
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<snip>All for a mistake made when he was a teenager........... </snip>

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The trouble he is in now is for something he did now, not as a teenager. The consequences of failure-to-report is the other lesson to be learned from these stories, in my opinion.

Thanks for sharing those, guys. Hopefully someone will keep those in mind and not do something similar...
 
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Thanks alot for that story!!!

I think the biggest thing to remember about this is that you have to be responsible for your actions, one way or another!! Kind of reminds me of that guy that was ranting a few weeks ago about being screwed after running from the police...

The things we do don't go away just because we don't mention them!!!
 
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Moving violations aren't sealed. A DUI is not a felony. It's been a while since I was in the insurance industry, but last I checked they are easily found by a C.L.U.E. report.

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DUIs show up two places: in criminal records and in driver's license records. Issuance, suspensions, revocations, etc. of driver's licenses are CIVIL matters. They do not go away even if the person was a juvenile when the thing happened. Only CRIMINAL matters are subject to possible because a person was a juvenile when the thing happened.

In any case, lying to the FAA is a very, very bad idea.

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I really feel sorry for Jim (or Bob, or...); Working hard to turn your life around and being stabbed like this...

I think your student will be in a lot of trouble, depending on how far the FAA wants to take this matter. The medical application is a federal document, and we all know the consequences of lying on a federal document.

If you have been caught for a DUI, ALWAYS put it down, then if the FAA wants to investigate, they will determine if anything else is required.

Let us know what the outcome of your student is; Also, don't be affraid to go to the local FSDO with him, and talk to an inspector; or try to get a hold of a Safety Counselor in your area, they will be more than happy to help you guys out. If you are in SoCal, let me know.

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