Do Regionals want PIC?

fly4food84

fly4food84

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I'm currently a Private/Instrument rated and working on my CMEL. Since a lot of my time will be with my instructor and I do not have a Multi license and lets say only 30 of my 100 hours wil be PIC (70 Dual Received) do Regionals take a look at that? Would that still qualify for the 100hrs of Multi that Regionals say is GOLD?
 
Your instructor has gotta love you.

Why don't you take your multi ride and then build the time with him?
 
Well, that is why I am asking.

If I can help it I'd rather skip the PMEL check and just work on the CMEL, but is it really worth having the PIC and DUAL vs. just DUAL? Do Regionals want the PIC Multi or just numbers under the Multi-Engine column in your logbook?
 
jtrain609 said:
You NEED PIC time
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:yeahthat:

My most recent checkride was with a DPE that is also a check airman for a regional airline. He commented on me having about 80% of my total time being PIC.

He said so many applicants get "round filed" because their PIC is only 30-50% of thier total time. He said that when they are going through logbooks in interviews they will ask why an applicant had to recieve so much dual after they already had the certificate. He said the answers can be pretty amusing:

"I thought it would be good to have that extra safety of an instructor"

"My instructor said it was a good idea"

That instructor just wants to pad his logbook, on your dime. There really is no good reason to be recieving dual after you have the certificate other than flight reviews and the occasional brushing up if you feel like you need it.
 
I think we might be confusing PIC with "solo" time possibly. There are plenty of examples where you can be PIC with an instructor on board. You just have to be training for something. Now, tooling around the country building time with an instructor on board is just....well, crazy. Also, it's shady if he's logging it and not instructing you in anything while you're flying.

All the time you spend solo on your PPL=PIC
Time training for your IR=PIC (unless you're in actuall, and I think you can't log it as PIC)
Time training for your CSEL=PIC
The time spend training for you CMEL ISN'T because you're not rated in cat/class, but if you get your MEI afterwards...PIC.
 
After your private, you can log every single engine land flight hour as PIC, if you are flying the plane. For the regionals, the total ME time is what they want.
 
mojo6911 said:
For the regionals, the total ME time is what they want.
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That's the answer I was looking for, as well as what I believed to be true, but I have a new instructor and it's become apparant that he is on something strong. It's also been confirmed by a Chief pilot of Pinnacle.

I've also been very fortuidous working the line this summer because I've been offered the right seat in a CJ3 on several long flights this summer and the pilot is an MEI... TT and Dual, correct?
 
fly4food84 said:
That's the answer I was looking for, as well as what I believed to be true, but I have a new instructor and it's become apparant that he is on something strong. It's also been confirmed by a Chief pilot of Pinnacle.

I've also been very fortuidous working the line this summer because I've been offered the right seat in a CJ3 on several long flights this summer and the pilot is an MEI... TT and Dual, correct?
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Depends. Is the guy "teaching" or is he letting you ride for free? I'd get the ME first then MAYBE log the CJ flight as a jet intro training. That's about as grey as I would get. If nothing else, it would be a good learning experience, but I'm not sure if I'd log it, and I don't think you could log it PIC anyway since you're not typed.
 
mojo6911 said:
After your private, you can log every single engine land flight hour as PIC, if you are flying the plane. For the regionals, the total ME time is what they want.
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Incorrect. If you go to Skywest with 20 hours of multi PIC and 80 hours of multi dual given you'll get laughed out of the interview room.
 
fly4food84 said:
That's the answer I was looking for, as well as what I believed to be true, but I have a new instructor and it's become apparant that he is on something strong. It's also been confirmed by a Chief pilot of Pinnacle.

I've also been very fortuidous working the line this summer because I've been offered the right seat in a CJ3 on several long flights this summer and the pilot is an MEI... TT and Dual, correct?
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I rode right seat for a year in a CJ3. At first I logged dual because I didn't get a SIC checkout. After a few months, they sent me FSI ICT for the type.

Ask for an SIC checkout. It's fair and if you're helping them out, at least they could make it beneficial to you.

Good luck and you'll enjoy the CJ3. Love that plane...
 
jtrain609 said:
Incorrect. If you go to Skywest with 20 hours of multi PIC and 80 hours of multi dual given you'll get laughed out of the interview room.
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Why don't they state 100hrs ME PIC on their QUALS? Most Airlines who want PIC specify (ie 1000 PIC Turbine).

I've decided that since I am at 200TT, I have 50hrs to burn so I'll fly 25hrs in the C172 G1000 and 25hrs in the DA42 G1000 so that way I can stay proficient in both and take the CMEL and CSEL add-on within a week of one another. That way I don't have an overload of DUAL RECEIVED.
 
they may only want 100ME, but you NEED 100 ME PIC if you want to fly any regional aircraft with 300 hrs
 
fly4food84 said:
http://www.skywest.com/careers/pilot/requirements.php
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Then why did you ask?

Look, you have some guys on here trying to tell you how it is, not just what you want to hear. This is what we have learned: you want all the PIC time you can have.

100 hrs of dual received in a twin is going to make everyone wonder. Either you got suckered, or maybe you had some trouble with double the levers and had to take some extra time with that rating. Hey, maybe you just don't like the responsibility of being the pilot if command of an aircraft?

How about you spend the ~10 hrs it takes to get a multi rating, and then take a check ride. You can do it for free with the FAA, or shell out the 200 for a DE. There are no negatives to this.
 
towhook said:
Then why did you ask?

Look, you have some guys on here trying to tell you how it is, not just what you want to hear. This is what we have learned: you want all the PIC time you can have.

100 hrs of dual received in a twin is going to make everyone wonder. Either you got suckered, or maybe you had some trouble with double the levers and had to take some extra time with that rating. Hey, maybe you just don't like the responsibility of being the pilot if command of an aircraft?

How about you spend the ~10 hrs it takes to get a multi rating, and then take a check ride. You can do it for free with the FAA, or shell out the 200 for a DE. There are no negatives to this.
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Did you cut out the 30-50 hours of dual you received for your PPL from your TT?
 
mojo6911 said:
Did you cut out the 30-50 hours of dual you received for your PPL from your TT?
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No.

I'm not saying it doesn't count for something... it just doesn't count for much.

Remember, I can take my lil' old granny up for some dual time too. She may crap herself, drool, and occasionally forget she is in an airplane, but I will give her instruction, and dutifully log it in her logbook for her. Hey, that's some good time!
 
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