Disney TFR

cimepilot

Well-Known Member
For those who fly in Florida...Please watch out for the Disney TFR! I am a CFI in Orlando and fly out of Executive (KORL) which is only 15 miles from Disney. Pilots are getting violated everyday by the FAA for violating this TFR. There have been over 70 violations since it went into effect and six of those violations occured this weekend. The FAA is out to get you on this one!

We had a renter at my flight school get violated because he flew right over Disney at 2,000'. The FAA called to let us know and asked us to have the pilot call them when he returned. He claims he had no idea the TFR existed. I know most pilots are more diligent than this guy, but keep in mind the FSS will not give you TFR info during a wx briefing unless you request NOTAM and TFR info.

The penalty for violations is a 30 day suspension of privledges. And just as a heads up, Disney lobbied the government and the TFR is actually a permanent flight restriction. They pretty much "bought" the restriction from Congress. So, fly safe and be careful in the Orlando area!
 

I_Money

Moderator
Our one over Disneyland is restricted. I think the government is abusing the powers created after 9/11. None of this nonsense is making anyone safer, it is just the way the government can get their way with aviation.
 

SJFLYER

Well-Known Member
Disney has been trying to restrict their airspace for years and they are taking advantage of the situation.

This is BS!
 

Virusss

New Member
let me ask one thing I dont understand about the this country. WHO THE HELL ELECTED THIS PRICKS? I mean when the economy is going into a dump they are all getting raises. When Californias car registration fees are going up the people in congress get FREE registration. They have there own DMV. Im outraged at the way politicians act. They get to pick there own raises. And to stay there and get more money they just vote for eachother or they do stupid things for there own communities and the people jsut re-elect them. COME ON VERYONE get real.

Congress is COMUNISM. I dont care what anyone says. Just because we pick em doesnt give them the right to make laws. Every one is saying we have to vote but what good does that do if we vote on stupid propositions while congress takes other things into there own hands.

They got food, they chained the net: Stupid Congress doesnt want cryptography THATS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY FRIGGIN SYSTEM BREAK DOWNS (hackers). And now they are making the Aviation industry take a Nose dive. If there is one thing I learned during my years is that Private business does a MUCH better job then Government.
 

Derg

New Arizona, Il Duce/Warlord
Staff member
You know, the irony in this whole thing is the fact that Disney has been trying to restrict aircraft from flying over the park for years.

And now the federal government issues a TFR to restrict aircraft from flying over the park as part of Homeland Security. But Disney was upset because when the Department of Homeland Security issued the TFR, people thought it meant Disneyland/Disneyworld was the target of an impending terrorist attack.

Typical corporate America -- they want to get their way under the auspices of "protecting America", but want to add their own flavor of 'spin' to the mix.
 

ready2fly

Well-Known Member
I was on my IFR x/c last week with my instructor and we were about 50 miles to the south of Orlando when we heard the following exchange on Approach:

Apprch: "Cessna 1234Z, Descend and maintain 2500"

A/C: "Uh - that's gonna take us directly over Disney at 2500... aren't we going to bust the TFR?"

Apprch: "No. As long as you are with us, you are okay."

A/C: "roger, Cessna 1234Z, Descending and will maintain 2500."

(a few minutes transpire)

Apprch: "Umm - CESSNA 1234Z - scratch that! Turn to a heading of 270 Immediately and climb and maintain 3700 Immdiately!!"

A/C: "Uh-huh, thought so...."

We busted out laughing.
 

E_Dawg

Moderator
Ouch! That can be a very tricky situation; I remember when they had the TFR for the world series ATC was allowed to vector planes through it... but as the pilot I was always concerned when they gave me a heading into it because some FSS guys would say it's ok and some would say it's not. You'd even get conflicting answers when asking ATC. I think as long as you mention it on the tapes you'll protect yourself but it still concerns me; especially at SNA where one of the departures is headed directly toward the new Disney TFR... I don't know what they do now in terms of that particular departure and whether or not you're allowed to fly through it (haven't flown out of SNA for a while).

In any case it's a waste of money, all it does is create problems for controllers and pilots, yet it adds NO increase in safety. Seriously, what the hell is a 3000' and 3nm radius 'no fly zone' around ANYTHING going to do to protect it from someone hell bent on destroying it????!?!!! Give the FAA something to violate them on AFTER the fact???
 

av8sean

New Member
Disneyland is so big -- what do they thing we're gonna do, take out a concession stand with a little 172??
 

pscraig

Well-Known Member
Too bad....6 weeks ago Orlando approach vectored me right over Disney World at 2500, it was great-I could see the monorails and all the rides. I believe the new TFR prohibits flight at or below 3000AGL within 3nm, right?
 

mrivc211

Well-Known Member
I took off out of fullerton a couple of weeks ago on an assigned 120 heading which takes you right over Disneyland in roughly about 3 minutes. I made sure the controller was aware of where I was headed and he said, " its ok as long as your talking to me"! So go figure about this TFR!
 
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