Difficult Instrument Approaches

Cessnaflyer

Cessnaflyer

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I used to have a nice file of difficult instrument approaches for my students to brief but I have had my CFI binder go missing. Mine weren't overly difficult but they usually required a second look for most of my students. Now since I am rebuilding it I want to see what you guys have flown for some difficult approach plates to follow.

Thanks!
 
Cessnaflyer said:
I used to have a nice file of difficult instrument approaches for my students to brief but I have had my CFI binder go missing. Mine weren't overly difficult but they usually required a second look for most of my students. Now since I am rebuilding it I want to see what you guys have flown for some difficult approach plates to follow.

Thanks!
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Flown for real: http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/00968LZ19.PDF

Flown in the sim: http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/05222VDTZ15.PDF

Both should keep any student you have pretty well occupied.
 
dasleben said:
Flown for real: http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/00968LZ19.PDF

Flown in the sim: http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/05222VDTZ15.PDF

Both should keep any student you have pretty well occupied.
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I have done the Baltimore app. in the sim, not to hard. Just lots of looking back at the chart. The Rutland approach just has lots of notes on it. Most of the cross radials that are in there are worthless because DME is required. But, I can see a students head almost exploding if you give them these two back to back.
 
Hacker15e said:
My personal fav is "The Widowmaker" at KROW.

It used to be a big deal in the T-38A because of the descent gradient required at 300 knots, plus the limited avionics required a timely switch from the TACAN to the ILS/DME, as well as some other nav radio inputs that were a total bitch in a single seat cockpit going very fast.

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/00354HI21.PDF
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We were supposed to get a T-38 sim "fam ride" during Phase II at DLF, but my class was behind the timeline so we skipped it. The rumor was that we'd get a quick ILS into Laughlin and then "The Widowmaker." Wouldn't have minded giving it a shot.
 
mshunter said:
Now that one looks tough. A missed to a back course! Then multiple frequency changes to the hold. I'd hate to have to go missed.
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I did it 5 times one day in the mid 90’s in a Falcon 20, back then it was the best approach GA had into ASE. About every other plane would make it in and the pax wanted to go to ASE. After 2 tries we had to go to GUC for fuel. It was too long of a day. DAL-PBI-TUL-GUC-ASE-DAL. CP was in the right seat not feeling well the whole trip. I hope I have learned enough over the years not to do that again.

If you look at the approach it is worthless after the 9.5 DBL DME. If you see the airport at the missed approach point you are 1.4 miles from the airport and 2400 feet above it.
 
mshunter said:
Now that one looks tough. A missed to a back course! Then multiple frequency changes to the hold. I'd hate to have to go missed.
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I done it in real life several times, the hardest part is making the descent. Its the only time I had to do a slip on the instrument approach in IMC to make it down in a Cirrus. Cirrus really needs air brakes.
 
Hacker15e said:
My personal fav is "The Widowmaker" at KROW.

It used to be a big deal in the T-38A because of the descent gradient required at 300 knots, plus the limited avionics required a timely switch from the TACAN to the ILS/DME, as well as some other nav radio inputs that were a total bitch in a single seat cockpit going very fast.

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/00354HI21.PDF
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It still is! Everyone does it in the sim here. I flew it for real in the T-6 at mil power, but it was relatively tame at 250 knots.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
All aircraft should have spoilers....
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Well said.

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Oh, is that not what you meant?
 
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