Different corporate pilot careers

cgoetz

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Hi all I'm new to this forum so its great to be here. I am a student at Embry Riddle and I have a question for a class that I am taking on Corporate Aviation, and my teacher told me going to one of these forums would really help me to find the answer. The question is as follows:

Compare and contrast the many career paths and type of "corporate" flying possible. Discuss the advantages and disadvantages of each.

I figure since there are probably a lot of guys and gals on here with a lot of experience you woud be the best source to help me.
 
There's charter flying. You work for a company that has a Part 135 operating certificate. Other companies and individuals charter aircraft with you. Basicly they pay for the airplane by the hour. Most aircraft used in charter will be leased back from owners who want charter revenue to offset their costs.

Then there are fractional operations. You work for a company that sells shares of airplanes to companies and individuals. These share owners get a specified number of hours in an aircraft type. Fractionals also usually have an inter-change program where you can upgrade or downgrade for a particular flight based on your needs for that flight. This type of flying is done under Part 91 Subpart K and sometimes Part 135.

There's also opportunities to fly an airplane (or fleet of planes) for a company or individual. These jobs can be very good or very bad, depending on who you work for. You could fly a Cessna 172, a Boeing Business Jet, or anything in between. You could fly a single airplane or airplane type or you could fly two or three different types. The really good jobs are rarely posted to the public. You learn about most of them from networking.

In the hangar I work in, there are five other flight departments. One is home every night and typically only works Tues-Weds-Thurs. In the last 15 years or so, they've flown once on a Saturday and never on a Sunday. There's also a flight department that flys about 6 days a month per pilot and they're never in the offie. There's also a flight department that flys about the same amount, but their pilots have to be in the office 5 days a week even if they're not flying.

Do you have some specific questions?
 
I think relying solely on the internet to find the answers significantly will reduce one of the most important aspects you're probing into - human interaction.

While this forum will supply a lot of useful information, venture out beyond the ERAU section of the airport. Try andfind a busy FBO and see if you can chat up the local corporate pilots for 5 minutes.

I'm sure you will see the human side of the equation which I don't believe you can get over the internet.
 
Specifically I'm looking for what advantages and disadavantages that a pilot has working for a charter (135) and what are they for a fractional (91K).
 
Specifically I'm looking for what advantages and disadavantages that a pilot has working for a charter (135) and what are they for a fractional (91K).


Well, from what I can see there are advantages/disadvantages to both.
  • Fractional pilots usually have a nice schedule such as 7 on/7 off whereas charter pilots do not usually have a "set" schedule.
  • Pay is usually better to start at a fractional with a set increase with time where the charter world tends to be different with each company
  • Charter pilots usually get to eat on the company (and sometimes drink) or have a good per diem where frac pilots usually have catered "box" lunches
  • They both usually stay at the same type of hotels (Hilton, Marriott, and such)
  • Frac pilots usually don't spend much time in one place where charter pilots may end up sitting on the beach in the summertime or in the mountains in the winter for 4 or 5 days on a company paid "vacation"
I am sure there is a lot I missed, but is that the general idea you were looking for?
 
A guy I knew who flew corps for Goodyear then transfered to the blimps - I thought that was very cool.
 
There are a few part 125 operations like the flights going between Anchorage and the north slope of Alaska transporting the workers.:)
 
I'm not a corporate guy, but I know a bunch of 'em and I'll weigh in anyway.

Be humble. Personality is 90% of the game when it comes to corporate aviation.

Time plays a role with the fractional and 135 operators but you're going to get hired based on your personality, not your times. (ie. dude A has 5,000 hours of jet time and is a jerk. Dude B has 2,000 hours total and is a great guy to hang around with on a 9-day trip. Dude B gets hired.)

Get a bunch of different aviation experiences. Flight instruct, Fly freight, fly skydivers, whatever it takes to learn the craft. And if you have some interests outside of flying, even better. Having "been around the block" a few times goes a long way.

Oh, and did I mention, be humble? :)
 
While flying in a KA350 that a small flight department operates out of the FBO I work at, I was told something that goes along with everything everyone has said in this thread. The man who hired the guy sitting next to me said that he doesn't look for piloting skills when looking at a new applicant (the guy sitting next to me was a local CFI when he got this gig), "a monkey can be taught how to fly the plane" ...he looks for personality and people who will represent the company well in front of customers.

And, it's who you know. As with 99% of the time in aviation.
 
"fractional" and "charter" are not corporate.

To me corporate means flying a private aircraft owned by either an individual or company.

Example would be Wal-Mart. They own several Lear jets to haul the company execs around. It is not a commercial operation, and is not open to the public.

Net Jets, a fractional, is in the business of selling shares of their aircraft to the public. Anyone can buy a share and then have access to the airplane for a certain amount of hours of flight time. Also operating under part 91 (and 91 sub. K)

Charter would be a company which holds out to the public to "charter" an aircraft. Usually flights are sold in hourly blocks. Operates under part 135.
 
"Corporate" is an easy to understand vail that means elite, and non airline to the non aviator...I doubt they would know, or understand the difference between true corporate, frac ownership and charters...
 
Interesting thread -- but then I always find it interesting to see where the conversation goes when people start to compare/contrast corporate vs. charter vs. fractional.
 
Corporate planes are small jets that carry a few, and airlines are big and carry many. All my non flying friends wouldn't care any more than that and eyes start to glaze over.
 
I suspect those who frequent this message board have more than just a passing interest in aviation.
 
I suspect those who frequent this message board have more than just a passing interest in aviation.

:yeahthat:

this is an interesting thread though. Im thinking about getting into stuff like this (if I can know the right people) so its interesting to see what each holds.
 
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