Diamond Star program?
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Windchill
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I'm not exactly sure, so don't quote me ... but what I believe takes place with the Diamond Star program is basically you fly around in the Diamond for a bit to build hours near hiring mins for the airlines ... you do not become an instructor.
It's for students not interested in instructing ... you pay to build hours.
It's for students not interested in instructing ... you pay to build hours.
SmitteyB
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If my memory serve me correct.
Well, they offered this program to me about a month ago. When you finish the program, they promise get you a regional FO job in certain amount of time. IF you don't get it, you will get 10,000 dollars refund.
adreamer
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And when you don't get a job, you get to invest that 10,000K in CFI, CFII, and MEI ratings....and why not do it at ATP? They're making money no matter what happens with you.
You know where they get that original 10,000? It's weaseled into the overall cost. 70k for no CFI ratings is a bit much...
If my memory serve me correct.
Well, they offered this program to me about a month ago. When you finish the program, they promise get you a regional FO job in certain amount of time. IF you don't get it, you will get 10,000 dollars refund.
adreamer
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And when you don't get a job, you get to invest that 10,000K in CFI, CFII, and MEI ratings....and why not do it at ATP? They're making money no matter what happens with you.
You know where they get that original 10,000? It's weaseled into the overall cost. 70k for no CFI ratings is a bit much...
SmitteyB
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I do not know. I believe you do this....
60-day Private Pilot
90-day Airline Career Pilot Program (minus CFI ratings)
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= 5 months then they get 7 months to find you a job while you timebuild....
So for 5 months I assume you get free housing.
That's just a guess...I could be wrong. There is post below like...."New Program"...or something like that.
60-day Private Pilot
90-day Airline Career Pilot Program (minus CFI ratings)
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= 5 months then they get 7 months to find you a job while you timebuild....
So for 5 months I assume you get free housing.
That's just a guess...I could be wrong. There is post below like...."New Program"...or something like that.
SmitteyB
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They have the money. They're making pure profit on the 50 hours of sim time they sell to their students. And I don't really care if people say "The sim time is good because you'll need it in an iterview/training".....Well I sure as hell doubt you'll be training for an airline job in a Seminole FTD.
Sorry ATPers. 50 hours @ 62.00/hr....roughly $3100 per ACPP student.
But if I keep doing the math...Remember out of a possible 190hrs...(this is not for the Diamond Star Program)
37,995 (Total Program Cost)
-3,100 (50 hours FTD)
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34,885 / 140 hours remaining = $249.18/hour
I know books are included and housing in the 90-day...but still.
But who am I to judge? Ratings are ratings, whether you spend 110,000 at Regional Airline Academy or 29,995 at Ari-Ben...it's only money, right? You decide...
Sorry ATPers. 50 hours @ 62.00/hr....roughly $3100 per ACPP student.
But if I keep doing the math...Remember out of a possible 190hrs...(this is not for the Diamond Star Program)
37,995 (Total Program Cost)
-3,100 (50 hours FTD)
________
34,885 / 140 hours remaining = $249.18/hour
I know books are included and housing in the 90-day...but still.
But who am I to judge? Ratings are ratings, whether you spend 110,000 at Regional Airline Academy or 29,995 at Ari-Ben...it's only money, right? You decide...
stuckingfk
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They have the money. They're making pure profit on the 50 hours of sim time they sell to their students. And I don't really care if people say "The sim time is good because you'll need it in an iterview/training".....Well I sure as hell doubt you'll be training for an airline job in a Seminole FTD.
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You seem have seem to have the answers for everything and yet you haven't had any advanced training.
Sims are invaluable especially in multi engine training. You can not possibly practice all the emergencies you might encounter in the actual airplane. We have sims to practice instrument flying, get current, work on flows and other procedures, and for practicing emergencies that are too dangerous to try in the airplane.
And fyi, Horizon does their interviews at UND in our Seminole Frascas.
They have the money. They're making pure profit on the 50 hours of sim time they sell to their students. And I don't really care if people say "The sim time is good because you'll need it in an iterview/training".....Well I sure as hell doubt you'll be training for an airline job in a Seminole FTD.
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You seem have seem to have the answers for everything and yet you haven't had any advanced training.
Sims are invaluable especially in multi engine training. You can not possibly practice all the emergencies you might encounter in the actual airplane. We have sims to practice instrument flying, get current, work on flows and other procedures, and for practicing emergencies that are too dangerous to try in the airplane.
And fyi, Horizon does their interviews at UND in our Seminole Frascas.
pscraig
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They have the money. They're making pure profit on the 50 hours of sim time they sell to their students. And I don't really care if people say "The sim time is good because you'll need it in an iterview/training".....Well I sure as hell doubt you'll be training for an airline job in a Seminole FTD.
Sorry ATPers. 50 hours @ 62.00/hr....roughly $3100 per ACPP student.
But if I keep doing the math...Remember out of a possible 190hrs...(this is not for the Diamond Star Program)
37,995 (Total Program Cost)
-3,100 (50 hours FTD)
________
34,885 / 140 hours remaining = $249.18/hour
I know books are included and housing in the 90-day...but still.
But who am I to judge? Ratings are ratings, whether you spend 110,000 at Regional Airline Academy or 29,995 at Ari-Ben...it's only money, right? You decide...
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Still what? Your method of calculation is not really correct-you're trying to compare ATPs pricing model to a typical FBO that milks you by the hour. Since the housing and books, etc are included in the cost, as you noted, they cannot be separated. Even if it did cost $249.18 per hour, it would be below the other major flight schools' costs for a Seminole. When I left FSI it was $200 for the aircraft and $55 for the CFI. As for sim time, it's valuable. We can either learn approaches (until you get it right) in an aircraft at $xxx per hour, or we can do it in an air conditioned sim. It's your time, your money, and I'm not signing you off until you get it right.
Your estimates also fail to account for ground instruction, single engine training (including spins for CFIs), hotels on cross-countries, and other supplies provided. And there is the 3 hours in the Citation.
They have the money. They're making pure profit on the 50 hours of sim time they sell to their students. And I don't really care if people say "The sim time is good because you'll need it in an iterview/training".....Well I sure as hell doubt you'll be training for an airline job in a Seminole FTD.
Sorry ATPers. 50 hours @ 62.00/hr....roughly $3100 per ACPP student.
But if I keep doing the math...Remember out of a possible 190hrs...(this is not for the Diamond Star Program)
37,995 (Total Program Cost)
-3,100 (50 hours FTD)
________
34,885 / 140 hours remaining = $249.18/hour
I know books are included and housing in the 90-day...but still.
But who am I to judge? Ratings are ratings, whether you spend 110,000 at Regional Airline Academy or 29,995 at Ari-Ben...it's only money, right? You decide...
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Still what? Your method of calculation is not really correct-you're trying to compare ATPs pricing model to a typical FBO that milks you by the hour. Since the housing and books, etc are included in the cost, as you noted, they cannot be separated. Even if it did cost $249.18 per hour, it would be below the other major flight schools' costs for a Seminole. When I left FSI it was $200 for the aircraft and $55 for the CFI. As for sim time, it's valuable. We can either learn approaches (until you get it right) in an aircraft at $xxx per hour, or we can do it in an air conditioned sim. It's your time, your money, and I'm not signing you off until you get it right.
Your estimates also fail to account for ground instruction, single engine training (including spins for CFIs), hotels on cross-countries, and other supplies provided. And there is the 3 hours in the Citation.
SmitteyB
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No, you're right about my calculations. However, even with housing and other accessories it is still near $200/hr.
lruppert, I really don't get you. Almost every post I've made on here you come back with a negatvie comment. I recognize that I don't know as much as other people about aviation, but I'm sure thinking I know how to treat other people. You could have said my calculations were incorrect, but you didn't. You have to resort to making comments that just piss people off. You must be an awful CFI.
lruppert, I really don't get you. Almost every post I've made on here you come back with a negatvie comment. I recognize that I don't know as much as other people about aviation, but I'm sure thinking I know how to treat other people. You could have said my calculations were incorrect, but you didn't. You have to resort to making comments that just piss people off. You must be an awful CFI.
Thanks for inquiring about the Direct Track program. The Direct Track program is an additional $32,995. After completion of both the Career and Direct Track program, the options are flight instructing or a possible placement as a first officer with the regional airlines. ATP does not guarantee any job placement with the school or with any part 121 or 135 carriers, although the opportunities are there.
For any additional questions or scheduling information feel free to call our toll free number 1.800.255.2877 or visit our website at www.allatps.com .
Thank you,
ATP Inc.
For any additional questions or scheduling information feel free to call our toll free number 1.800.255.2877 or visit our website at www.allatps.com .
Thank you,
ATP Inc.
Captain_Bob
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SmitteyB
Well-Known Member
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Thanks for inquiring about the Direct Track program. The Direct Track program is an additional $32,995. After completion of both the Career and Direct Track program, the options are flight instructing or a possible placement as a first officer with the regional airlines. ATP does not guarantee any job placement with the school or with any part 121 or 135 carriers, although the opportunities are there.
For any additional questions or scheduling information feel free to call our toll free number 1.800.255.2877 or visit our website at www.allatps.com .
Thank you,
ATP Inc.
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Wow. Private>Direct Track $77985.
Thanks for inquiring about the Direct Track program. The Direct Track program is an additional $32,995. After completion of both the Career and Direct Track program, the options are flight instructing or a possible placement as a first officer with the regional airlines. ATP does not guarantee any job placement with the school or with any part 121 or 135 carriers, although the opportunities are there.
For any additional questions or scheduling information feel free to call our toll free number 1.800.255.2877 or visit our website at www.allatps.com .
Thank you,
ATP Inc.
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Wow. Private>Direct Track $77985.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
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....or we can do it in an air conditioned sim. It's your time, your money, and I'm not signing you off until you get it right.
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Must be nice sitting in the nice air conditioned cockpit of a RJ
I don't know if you ever got to fly in the new Frascas that some of the locations have now (like the one in Jax Beach minus the wrap around and vented windows) but they put out a whole lot of heat. That said, yes sim time is not time in the real aircraft but as far as procedural training (which is mostly what instrument flight is) they are almost more beneficial then the real aircraft. Not only does it allow for repatition and comprehension (can you tell I've been doing some ground school for the FOI!) it also allows us to simulate things that are not possible or unsafe in the actual aircraft.
Ethan
....or we can do it in an air conditioned sim. It's your time, your money, and I'm not signing you off until you get it right.
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Must be nice sitting in the nice air conditioned cockpit of a RJ
Ethan
stuckingfk
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No, you're right about my calculations. However, even with housing and other accessories it is still near $200/hr.
lruppert, I really don't get you. Almost every post I've made on here you come back with a negatvie comment. I recognize that I don't know as much as other people about aviation, but I'm sure thinking I know how to treat other people. You could have said my calculations were incorrect, but you didn't. You have to resort to making comments that just piss people off. You must be an awful CFI.
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That is fine, you don't have to get me. But your posts lack intellect and are constantly ripping on something you haven't experienced.
I probably wouldn't be on your case, but you haven't trained anywhere which gives you no grounds to comment about training at specific flight schools.
ATP has a very good business model and will continue to prosper with or without your comments. I am sure they won't be upset losing such a great student.....
No, you're right about my calculations. However, even with housing and other accessories it is still near $200/hr.
lruppert, I really don't get you. Almost every post I've made on here you come back with a negatvie comment. I recognize that I don't know as much as other people about aviation, but I'm sure thinking I know how to treat other people. You could have said my calculations were incorrect, but you didn't. You have to resort to making comments that just piss people off. You must be an awful CFI.
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That is fine, you don't have to get me. But your posts lack intellect and are constantly ripping on something you haven't experienced.
I probably wouldn't be on your case, but you haven't trained anywhere which gives you no grounds to comment about training at specific flight schools.
ATP has a very good business model and will continue to prosper with or without your comments. I am sure they won't be upset losing such a great student.....