departure??

Flying_Corporal

Flying_Corporal

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This is a true story:

You're departing in a corporate jet from class D airport after the twr is closed. You have your IFR clearance and the winds are calm. You decide to take rwy 23.

After takeoff you switch to dept freq. You then realize that Approach is vectoring someone for the final to rwy 5 (opposite your direction).

Even though you didn't do anything illegal, as it seems to me, you created a collision hazard. Who is right?
 
Both are, if an airport is uncontrolled, then all runways are active. That is why it is up to you to "see and avoid".
 
ATC screwed up. If you have your IFR clearance then the class E (I want to say control zone, but that's old school) is yours. It's ATC's responsibility to keep you, an IFR aircraft, seperated from the opposite direction guy, if he's IFR, too. If the other guy is VFR, then all bets are off....he has every right to be there.
 
Nothing wrong with this, happens from time to time. Only one aircraft can be in the Class E airspace at a time with an IFR clearance, but by the time you take off in a jet and switch to departure, your out the Class E...if the other jet is still being vectored then it is highly unlikely that they are inside the Class E. Sounds like it may have been close but the seperation was legal. Also, if an aircraft is taking off with an IFR clearance, the controller would not clear the inbound for any type of clearance to the airport.
 
'You decide to take rwy 23"

Well I hope you told ATC which runway you were departing! They always ask me!
 
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'You decide to take rwy 23"

Well I hope you told ATC which runway you were departing! They always ask me!

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I'm with JT...they/you should have clarified which runway you were departing from. It may make a big difference in the vector clearance.


What if the jet's "void time" was due right when he departed? Then ATC would have the authority to allow another plane into the airspace. I know this is highly unlikely.

If the weather is IFR at the airport (assuming the airport is Class E when the tower is closed) the arriving plane should be on an IFR clearance.

If the other plane was on an IFR clearance...ATC should have the "niceness" to let the other pilot know that another plane was departing the airport of intended landing.
 
If the void time has elapsed, you are still legal to take-off, but you have to maintain VFR rules, call ATC and wait for your IFR clearance before you enter IFR conditions (read here cloud separation). So if the inbound traffic is on an IFR clearance, you have to see and avoid him.

Like it was mentioned before, 1 IFR traffic at a time in a class E, but as many VFR as you can fit in!
 
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