Delta/US Airways to sue US over route plan rejection

CFIscare

CFIscare

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Good for them. I think Scott Kirby said it best when he said "It is remarkable to us that a government agency which professes to be pro-competition does not allow carriers to engage in self-help activities that are clearly legal" in another statement.
WASHINGTON, May 4 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines (DAL.N) and US Airways Group (LCC.N) will challenge a U.S. government decision rejecting their compromise for restructuring operations at two East Coast airports, the companies said on Tuesday.

Delta and US Airways, in a joint statement, called the Transportation Department decision inexplicable and legally questionable. The companies said they intend to appeal in federal court. The two proposed a swap in August that would give US Airways 42 new slots at Reagan National in Washington and Delta 125 slots at New York LaGuardia. The unusually large deal was proposed as an asset sale without any exchange of cash.
Slots are government-regulated takeoff and landing rights at crowded airports. Both carriers are looking to strengthen operations where they focus hardest on business travel. US Airways wants to play to its Washington strength. Delta is ramping up New York service for domestic and international flights. Federal aviation officials approved the initial plan in February with giveback requirements. Delta and US Airways responded in March with a counterproposal to divest certain slots and grant access to rivals like JetBlue (JBLU.O), AirTran (AAI.N) and Canada's WestJet (WJA.TO). Regulators, however, on Tuesday called the counteroffer insufficient to ensure competition.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0413616820100505
 
Remember, "evil legacy" carriers are evil and must be held back at all costs.
 
I don't want to make it sound like I believe there is a conspiracy here, but it almost sounds like the counteroffer is "insufficient to ensure competition" because it doesn't involve Southwest, or at least gives Southwest a chance.

I'm just saying... :dunno:
 
Honestly, SWA flying into LGA is so far out of their business model it should qualify for legal insanity. I'm a SWA kool-aid drinker, but I think there might be a tad bit of gubment conspiracy on this one involving SWA.

My opinion? SWA would be better served getting the rest of the Wright Ammendment nixed and then take over the world out of DAL.
 
And the hits just keep on coming for Ye Ole LCC! My prediction is that DAL looses interest in this whole affair within 6 months and leaves LCC out in the cold. I also think US Airways will likely pull out of the LGA market all together and SWA (Frackers!) FTW!
 
mikecweb said:
Then should ASA stay in the Southeast?
Should Alaska stay in Alaska?
I guess the only international airline should be World. I guess North American could qualify.
:rolleyes:
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good one mike. Guess I can't bring a bit of sarcasm without the lovely sarcasm tag, unless I want the illustious mikecweb to quote me with his quick jabs.
 
surreal1221 said:
good one mike. Guess I can't bring a bit of sarcasm without the lovely sarcasm tag, unless I want the illustious mikecweb to quote me with his quick jabs.
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good one josh. Guess I can't bring a bit of sarcasm without the lovely sarcasm tag, unless i want the illustrious surreal1221 to quote me with his quick jabs.
 
RightSeatGirl said:
And the hits just keep on coming for Ye Ole LCC! My prediction is that DAL looses interest in this whole affair within 6 months and leaves LCC out in the cold. I also think US Airways will likely pull out of the LGA market all together and SWA (Frackers!) FTW!
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Then you'd be wrong. Turning LGA into a domestic hub is priority one for Delta in the NYC market. This whole affair is tied into the plans for NYC as a whole, International hub at JFK and domestic at LGA. They even tried to get the TSA to sign off on a secured bus route between the two airports. Clear security at one airport and ride the bus to the other airport without having to go through security again. Unfortunately the TSA saw that they couldn't harrass the passengers a second time and shot down the idea.

As far as Delta's response to the LCCs, prior management teams ran away from a fight, this team has publicly stated their intention to battle all LCCs where they can, most notably SWA and AAI.
 
Cptnchia said:
Then you'd be wrong. Turning LGA into a domestic hub is priority one for Delta in the NYC market. This whole affair is tied into the plans for NYC as a whole, International hub at JFK and domestic at LGA. They even tried to get the TSA to sign off on a secured bus route between the two airports. Clear security at one airport and ride the bus to the other airport without having to go through security again. Unfortunately the TSA saw that they couldn't harrass the passengers a second time and shot down the idea.

As far as Delta's response to the LCCs, prior management teams ran away from a fight, this team has publicly stated their intention to battle all LCCs where they can, most notably SWA and AAI.
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Apologies, perhaps I was not clear enough but you completely misunderstood the jist of my post. In fact, you almost seem to be disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing. How about when you post, you eliminate baiting and instigative lead-ins like:

Cptnchia said:
Then you'd be wrong.
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Because unless you have a 100% accurate crystal ball, or you've recently visited the future you are no more likely to be correct then any of my crazy conspiracy styled opinions.

Instead, just add your opinion to the discussion without trying to come off as more informed, better educated, more correct, superior minded etc etc etc...

I hate when people post like that...It's subtle belittling and insulting within the rules of the forum. I don't think you meant it that way but sneak attacks are no different then a direct insult in my book and downright disrespectful.

Sorry, didn't mean to soapbox on you, but with everything going on in airline news in the last few weeks, a large degree of uncertainty with my future in this profession, I'm a little sensitive right now.
 
RightSeatGirl said:
Because unless you have a 100% accurate crystal ball, or you've recently visited the future you are no more likely to be correct then any of my crazy conspiracy styled opinions.

Instead, just add your opinion to the discussion without trying to come off as more informed, better educated, more correct, superior minded etc etc etc...
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Your right, I should have added, "Based on a conversation with certain individuals within Delta's senior management suite, who came up to talk with us in the cockpit."

You'd be suprised at how honest and forthright RA is when you ask him a direct question. I didn't mean to be condesending, just trying to interject some truth into the discussion. There are enough rumors and half truths floating around. If there is one thing I find refreshing is management's desire to tell the truth when asked. They may be managing expectations, but they aren't outright lying either.
 
Cptnchia said:
Your right, I should have added, "Based on a conversation with certain individuals within Delta's senior management suite, who came up to talk with us in the cockpit."

You'd be suprised at how honest and forthright RA is when you ask him a direct question. I didn't mean to be condesending, just trying to interject some truth into the discussion. There are enough rumors and half truths floating around. If there is one thing I find refreshing is management's desire to tell the truth when asked. They may be managing expectations, but they aren't outright lying either.
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:clap: Perfectly respectable.
 
Yeah, according to all the info we've gotten from corporate (on the LCC) side, we've worked with Delta to make a counter-offer exactly how they wanted....and they still say no? Methinks some shenanigans are in play!
 
RightSeatGirl]Originally Posted by RightSeatGirl And the hits just keep on coming for Ye Ole LCC! My prediction is that DAL looses interest in this whole affair within 6 months and leaves LCC out in the cold. I also think US Airways will likely pull out of the LGA market all together and SWA (Frackers!) FTW![/quote] [QUOTE=Cptnchia said:
Then you'd be wrong. Turning LGA into a domestic hub is priority one for Delta in the NYC market. This whole affair is tied into the plans for NYC as a whole, International hub at JFK and domestic at LGA. They even tried to get the TSA to sign off on a secured bus route between the two airports. Clear security at one airport and ride the bus to the other airport without having to go through security again. Unfortunately the TSA saw that they couldn't harrass the passengers a second time and shot down the idea.

As far as Delta's response to the LCCs, prior management teams ran away from a fight, this team has publicly stated their intention to battle all LCCs where they can, most notably SWA and AAI.
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LCC= US Airways

NOT

Low Cost Carriers
 
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