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Jetter2

Jetter2

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Hey all!
I am going into my Sr. Year of HS, and I live in the dallas area. I have knowen since I was probably 2 or 3, that I WILL be an Airline Pilot. The only hard part I seem'd to discover, was deciding and figuruing out how to get there. I have decided that I will be going to ATP. But it seems they want a 2 year degree, is this to make the ATP grads more marketable?

I graduate HS in the spring, and I plan on attending community college for my basics for 4 semesters, then enrolling in ATP. I will need my 4 year degree before I go to the majors, which is many years away as it is.

I plan on attending the Dallas campus. What is the avg. class size out there? Is the Instructor hire rate pretty decent?

Just looking for some advice on the best way to go about it all.
 
The 2yr degree is just to make you hireable once you leave ATP. Its not really required, just a suggestion.

You'll need your degree before the majors though, you'll have a hard time getting picked up by the regionals without it as well. One thing for you to consider is that unless you break for school at some point you are not going to have a lot of free time, going through ATP's 90 day program, instructing at ATP, and working for a regional are all going to make it very difficult to pursue a degree.

Class size for the Career pilot program is 1 or 2 + the instructor. If you are not a private pilot yet, the private program out in JAX has a max of 10 people in the class i think. Hire rate is directly proportional to the regionals hiring our instructors.

call us up 800 ALL ATPS, all the people answering the phones here are instructors waiting for a location to open up, and most(all?) of us went through the career pilot program.
 
Jetter2,


Dig your avatar dude.

You might consider getting things squared away with ATP and then going off to college somewhere to pursue a non-aviation degree. This way you can be instructing at college and building time while finishing off your degree. It's probably the best bet to getting out of college with all your ratings and a 4 year degree while being in a good position to get hired by a regional. If you can instruct 400 hours a year (not much) over 4 years you'll pop out with more than enough time to get hired by a regional. And while instructing pay isn't that much, it's 2-3 times what I make working for my university right now so it can work out really well as a part time job at school.
 
Dallas rocks.
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You bet Dallas rocks! Well dallas is a happenin town! American and AE are both based down here, along with ASA having a hub here. I'd absoutley love to work out of the airport I've used for leasure so much, for so many years.

I'm 17 so my options are pretty much wide open. The problem with doing ATP, then going to college for 4 years, is that it is a pain in the ass to find a good MEII job, that will give me the same kinda time that ATP would if they hired me.

My plan: Go to community college for two years, get my basics out of the way, go to ATP, work for ATP, get hired by a regional, finish out college.

Anything wrong with that? Regional pilots only fly about 70hrs/month.
 
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Anything wrong with that? Regional pilots only fly about 70hrs/month.

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They actually work a lot, but if you go online to finish out your degree and are flexible then it shouldn't be impossible.
 
You could do that dude, but I wouldn't get too ahead of yourself. ATP won't guarantee a job, and time is time. You'll pop out of ATP with over 200 hours of multi time, enough to meet the requirements of the regionals. School is more important than flight time.
 
Find me a regional that only wants 200ME.


I've yet to find a regional that dosent want AT LEAST 1000TT, and AT LEAST 200 of it needs to be ME.

Besides, I live in dallas, and was born and raised on AAL, and AE. If I could get a job flying for anyone that would be amazing, but especially if it was AE =]
 
Of course they want your total up over 1,000 (more than that usually), but if you go in with 200 multi you'll be doing alright. Some guys get hired with less.
 
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you'll get out of ATP with 140 hours of multi time (the 50 FTD hours dont count in that column or total time), and the other 10 are for your single engine add-ons.
 
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The sim is level 3, so the Approaches and Landings do actually count as logable time =]

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you can log the approaches, and you can log the time as FTD and dual recieved/given (and you only need an IGI to give instruction in one). You do not get to log total time or AMEL time in it though.

The sim in dallas is one of the newer AST's as well, which is nice, but every day i spend in the frasca over here makes that sim a little less appealing
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Is dallas one of their bigger sites?

Once I get my PPL here next month, I'ma make the 20 minute hop from my home town, over to Arlington to see what ATP is all about. Can I land at Arlington and still get a decent tour, or will I need to drive to the campus?
 
Just show up.. Find an instructor and say "show me the planes." More than likely an instructor or some students will walk you around the place.
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You don't need to be very formal about it.. I gave probably 2 "tours" while I was there as a student.
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Are the MEII's getting hired out pretty well here in Dallas? I'd love to instruct here in Dallas if possible once I get through the program.
 
How it happens is basically like this..

You go through the program.. Then you can submit your application.. If you are found "favorable" in the eyes of ATP, they will hire you into a class.. The class will have you and several other instructors, during which time you will work in the main office of JAX, as Casey is doing right now.. Then, you can basically ask for a spot, if that spot is open you may get it.. if it's not, you have the choice of a.) going whereever is open and then trying to get back to the first "picked" spot or b.) sit in the office until the spot you want eventually comes open.. Personally, I would go with option A as you will probably get back to the spot you want and are building hours while at another location, rather than sitting on your keister racking up internet and phone hours.
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I'm sure Casey will chime in..

Just to give you an idea of how much hiring is going on..

Keith Jackson was the class ahead of me.. He's hired and working the Ft. Lauderdale location.

Casey Webster (casey) was in the class ahead of me.. He's kickin it in the office.
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Young James Burgess (smokey1) has appearantly been offered a spot and he's yet to be completed with the program. He was in the class after me.. Casey also was "hired" before the program ended.. If you do the program you will learn what will and will not get you hired.
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But that is basically how the whole "getting hired by ATP" thing pans out..
 
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Young James Burgess (smokey1) has appearantly been offered a spot and he's yet to be completed with the program.

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Smokey1! Dude! Who knew he had it in him! You've made us JCers proud...<snif>. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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