Cross country time

navymmw

navymmw

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Hey,

So I just had a quick question regarding what is logged as a cross country flight which is counted towards the required 50 hours of PIC XC time for the Instrument rating.

So I know the flight must be to an airport at least 50nm away, for me I flew from KASH-KSFM which is something like 50.2NM, anyway afterwards on the flight back from KSFM to KASH I stopped in Laconia, which is 48NM away. Can I log the time between KSFM to KLCI, and KLCI-KASH as X country time? One reason I think I would is since they were all touch and go's, and their was a point of landing at least 50NM away from the originating airport, however one reason why I don't think it will count is because the actual flights (KSFM-KLCI, and KLCI-KASH) were under 50NM.
 
Sure, why not? Something to do with airports of origin...

Just make sure to update the XC time in your siggy so it counts.
 
The cross country that is countable toward the private and commercial certificates and the instrument rating is a flight

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That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
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Not a >50 NM leg or a "first" point of landing >50 NM away. Just "a point of landing" >50 nm away.

Doesn't matter how many places you land, or the distances between them, or the overall distance flown, or whether each airport is 5 NM away from the other. All that is required is that some landing point on the flight be more than 50 NM from your point of origin.

You could have flown KASH-KMHT-KDAW-KSFM and hit 3B4 and KPSM on the way back and the whole thing would be a countable cross country because KSFM is more than 50 NM from KASH.
 
cmhumphr said:
I thought it was just point to point? But I might be thinking of 135 mins.
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For 135 minimums, yes. Time spent airborne between CMA, OXR and SZP count towards that, for instance. But they do not count as cross-country for other purposes.

It gets curiouser. For meeting the experience requirements of an Airline Transport Pilot certificate, it's "more than 50 nautical miles" but there is strangely no need to land at another airport. So, on my photo missions, if we drive out more than 50NM from the origin, it counts. (Occasionally, we do.)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
It gets curiouser. For meeting the experience requirements of an Airline Transport Pilot certificate, it's "more than 50 nautical miles" but there is strangely no need to land at another airport. So, on my photo missions, if we drive out more than 50NM from the origin, it counts. (Occasionally, we do.)
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I have become curious as to how one logs this type of x/c time since no landing points show in the normal logbook format. And/or if anyone has had any experience in how the Examiner determines the validity of the entry in the application for the ATP. ??
 
nosehair said:
I have become curious as to how one logs this type of x/c time since no landing points show in the normal logbook format.
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By using an abnormal logbook format, the same way any pilot keeps track of anything that the publisher of the logbook he bought chose not to put in a column for and noting it in the comments. Others (and not always FAA-time I can think of that people keep track of by using excess or empty columns (or another field in their eLogs) - high-performance, retract time, dual given, Part 135 qualifying cross countries, glass panel time, mountain flight time, deductible business use....
And/or if anyone has had any experience in how the Examiner determines the validity of the entry in the application for the ATP. ??
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???? Just a WAG - the same way they determine the validity of any other entry - the logbook says so. How do they determine the validity of an entry with a landing?
 
Autothrust Blue said:
For meeting the experience requirements of an Airline Transport Pilot certificate, it's "more than 50 nautical miles" but there is strangely no need to land at another airport.
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Why would creating a carve-out primarily intended to giving a benefit to military pilots be "strange?"
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
???? Just a WAG - the same way they determine the validity of any other entry - the logbook says so. How do they determine the validity of an entry with a landing?
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Right - that's generally true and generic for any entry/application, but I was looking for any actual experiences/ horror stories such as we hear about with some of the other requirements the DE has his own idea about.
 
nosehair said:
Right - that's generally true and generic for any entry/application, but I was looking for any actual experiences/ horror stories such as we hear about with some of the other requirements the DE has his own idea about.
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The only logbook horror story I've heard (and that had to be more than 10 years ago) is one where this guy goes for his commercial practical test and, because he had no solo column, the DE wouldn't accept that he had the required solo time. The pilot offered to correct the entries but the DE insisted that he do additional flights.

I don't recall what happened. I probably would have corrected sufficient entries to cover the required solo flights and gotten another DE.
 
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