CPL test options

Airmann

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Am close to taking the practical for my CPL. I was told that I could use the 172 to show commercial maneuvers and use the complex aircraft for the landings. Any thoughts or recommendations?

I am glad that I have recently read the comments about Sheble's. I was looking for a place to get my CFI after my CPL. I think now I look at American Flyers or ????
 
Yes you could do it that way, but then you have to show the examiner 2 sets of maintenance logs, 2 preflights, and possibly be questioned on 2 different types of aircraft systems. Why don't you just do the whole thing in a complex plane?

American Flyers is extremely expensive. Their only deal might be the instructor academy, if you can spend 1-2 months in FL. I couldn't do the academy and it cost me $7000 just for the CFI-A initial alone.
 
Yes you could do it that way, but then you have to show the examiner 2 sets of maintenance logs, 2 preflights, and possibly be questioned on 2 different types of aircraft systems. Why don't you just do the whole thing in a complex plane?

American Flyers is extremely expensive. Their only deal might be the instructor academy, if you can spend 1-2 months in FL. I couldn't do the academy and it cost me $7000 just for the CFI-A initial alone.

$7000 for the Initial? I think your # is wrong, I saw $3400 for the initial and II. And plus maybe another 600$ for minor expenses.
 
$7000 for the Initial? I think your # is wrong, I saw $3400 for the initial and II. And plus maybe another 600$ for minor expenses.

It's $3400 for their instructor academy, which I said I couldn't do. So I did the CFI-A one-on-one, and it cost $7000. They charge $90/hr just for GROUND and $230/hr in the 172RG, which they cannot let you take out solo in order to practice...
 
Dang! That's expensive. I plan on doing the Academy in south fl. On august 7th. What do u think ?
 
It's $3400 for their instructor academy, which I said I couldn't do. So I did the CFI-A one-on-one, and it cost $7000. They charge $90/hr just for GROUND and $230/hr in the 172RG, which they cannot let you take out solo in order to practice...

Dang! That's expensive. I plan on doing the Academy in south fl. On august 7th. What do u think ?
 
I am pretty sure that I will in fact go to AF at KSMO and do the half the 30 day academy in order to obtain my CFI. The entire 30 day program that ends with your CFI/CFII is under 5k complete. I have been told that I would join a 30 day class in order to obtain the CFI only and would be less than 4k? Any comments on the KSMO location of AF? I have heard of a facility in Arizona called Double Eagle I think? Anyone have a PIREP?
 
I am pretty sure that I will in fact go to AF at KSMO and do the half the 30 day academy in order to obtain my CFI. The entire 30 day program that ends with your CFI/CFII is under 5k complete. I have been told that I would join a 30 day class in order to obtain the CFI only and would be less than 4k? Any comments on the KSMO location of AF? I have heard of a facility in Arizona called Double Eagle I think? Anyone have a PIREP?
Did you try the Flight Academy forum?
http://forums.jetcareers.com/forums/flight-academies-and-fixed-base-operators-fbo.73/
 
I've only been a CFI for a year, but this is what I think.

Just do this:

1). Buy a CFI PTS ($10)

2). Read and highlight the relevant sections of the AIH, AFH, PHAK, AC61-65 and FARs for each section of the PTS (free)

3). Make study guides/notes on the above and know the heck out of that material (free)

4). Practice teaching the sections of the PTS. Teach the cat, dog, wife, goldfish, whoever. Just get used to organizing your thoughts and hearing yourself talk and navigating through the material so you know it solid (free)

5). While practice-teaching the sections in the PTS, buy the Sheppard Air CFI bundle ($100). It gives you all the info and study questions for the written tests on your computer or iPad.

6). Take and pass the FIA and FOI written tests ($150 each). If you did Shepard air, you will pass, because the material will be coming out of your ears

7). Find a local FBO and a flight instructor to get a spin endorsement in a 172 (2 hr flight = $350)

8). Go through the maneuvers in the PTS in a complex plane that you will use for your checkride, with your flight instructor sitting in the left seat and you in the right seat. It is weird at first but you get used to it. Talk while you fly. Explain what you are doing throughout the maneuver. Your instructor might pretend to be a student while you critique his mistakes. Do this for all the maneuvers until you're comfortable teaching them. It doesn't take long, because nothing here is new (6 hrs max = $1400)

9). Go over study material again with your CFI (4 hrs ground = $200). Know everything about your checkride airplane's systems and resolve any questions. Study the POH (free) or buy a generic POH for your plane ($60).

10). Take the checkride with the FSDO (free). Don't be upset when told you didn't pass... It's the FAA way. Spend an hour retraining with your CFI ($225) and take the checkride again (guess what, it's free). If the FSDO is busy, they might send you to a DPE ($600).

Most of CFI prep is you studying and practice-teaching on your own. If you have a question, ask people on the forum, then ask for a reference and look it up to make sure they gave you the right answer. You don't need fancy frill-filled tie and epaulet-wearing instructors at schools/academies/programs to teach you Piper Arrow Systems and Lesson Plan Organization. You know why? Because they're not going to be there when you're training your first student or 100th student. The real learning begins AFTER you pass your checkride and start training people. And it can be scary. You're on your own to get the job done, and it can be very rewarding. That's why you need to take the initiative to learn this stuff and know your resources and practice. It's a lot cheaper this way too.
 
It's $3400 for their instructor academy, which I said I couldn't do. So I did the CFI-A one-on-one, and it cost $7000. They charge $90/hr just for GROUND and $230/hr in the 172RG, which they cannot let you take out solo in order to practice...

$90/hr for GROUND!? and $230/hr for a 172RG!?...:bang:
 
I've only been a CFI for a year, but this is what I think.

Just do this:

1). Buy a CFI PTS ($10)

2). Read and highlight the relevant sections of the AIH, AFH, PHAK, AC61-65 and FARs for each section of the PTS (free)

3). Make study guides/notes on the above and know the heck out of that material (free)

4). Practice teaching the sections of the PTS. Teach the cat, dog, wife, goldfish, whoever. Just get used to organizing your thoughts and hearing yourself talk and navigating through the material so you know it solid (free)

5). While practice-teaching the sections in the PTS, buy the Sheppard Air CFI bundle ($100). It gives you all the info and study questions for the written tests on your computer or iPad.

6). Take and pass the FIA and FOI written tests ($150 each). If you did Shepard air, you will pass, because the material will be coming out of your ears

7). Find a local FBO and a flight instructor to get a spin endorsement in a 172 (2 hr flight = $350)

8). Go through the maneuvers in the PTS in a complex plane that you will use for your checkride, with your flight instructor sitting in the left seat and you in the right seat. It is weird at first but you get used to it. Talk while you fly. Explain what you are doing throughout the maneuver. Your instructor might pretend to be a student while you critique his mistakes. Do this for all the maneuvers until you're comfortable teaching them. It doesn't take long, because nothing here is new (6 hrs max = $1400)

9). Go over study material again with your CFI (4 hrs ground = $200). Know everything about your checkride airplane's systems and resolve any questions. Study the POH (free) or buy a generic POH for your plane ($60).

10). Take the checkride with the FSDO (free). Don't be upset when told you didn't pass... It's the FAA way. Spend an hour retraining with your CFI ($225) and take the checkride again (guess what, it's free). If the FSDO is busy, they might send you to a DPE ($600).

Most of CFI prep is you studying and practice-teaching on your own. If you have a question, ask people on the forum, then ask for a reference and look it up to make sure they gave you the right answer. You don't need fancy frill-filled tie and epaulet-wearing instructors at schools/academies/programs to teach you Piper Arrow Systems and Lesson Plan Organization. You know why? Because they're not going to be there when you're training your first student or 100th student. The real learning begins AFTER you pass your checkride and start training people. And it can be scary. You're on your own to get the job done, and it can be very rewarding. That's why you need to take the initiative to learn this stuff and know your resources and practice. It's a lot cheaper this way too.

Great advice...Always prepare your lesson. Buy a whiteboard, stand up, and teach your lesson to whoever or whatever. It may seem like you know it in your head, but developing a way to teach the lesson is a whole lot different. For example, a lesson on airspace. Being a commercial pilot, yes, you should already know all the airspace. I prepared a lesson and didn't talk it out prior to teaching to my instructor. I started teaching and was like uhhhh where do I go with this. The CFI applicant needs to take all the information they know and figure out how to present it to a dude or girl that knows NOTHING about what your talking.

I'm a CFI applicant myself, so I may still not know what the hell I'm talking about!!! :confused:
 
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