Could this increase hiring once passed??

PLANECOOK

PLANECOOK

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In my opinion, fatigue is something that has been a hot button issue for some time now and finally getting action. Pilots flying 8 flight hours a day and 10-15hrs shifts at "work" not including commuting could see a real change if this new fight runs its course. One rumor from an FAA insider is that they are considering limiting pilots to 6 flight hours per day and a maximum of 10 hours on "duty." This to me would signal a need for airlines to hiring more pilots. Not only might it create jobs, but would reduce pilot fatige of having to deal with long 12-15 "at work" shift under extreme conditions. I would love to hear input from other JC members on this. Read the article below::clap:

http://www.pilotjobs.com/2009/09/fa...-some-carriers-to-hire-additional-pilots.html
 
Wayne Phillips will tell you this is the pathway to the magical land where the "looming pilot shortage is a reality".

Sunshine, lolly pops, and six figure salaries for all!
 
More than likely, the airlines would cut routes, raise fares, and furlough more pilots. But what do I know.
 
2 less hours in a day for people to make money on top of the already bad wages.....:banghead:
 
PLANECOOK said:
In my opinion, fatigue is something that has been a hot button issue for some time now and finally getting action. Pilots flying 8 flight hours a day and 10-15hrs shifts at "work" not including commuting could see a real change if this new fight runs its course. One rumor from an FAA insider is that they are considering limiting pilots to 6 flight hours per day and a maximum of 10 hours on "duty." This to me would signal a need for airlines to hiring more pilots. Not only might it create jobs, but would reduce pilot fatige of having to deal with long 12-15 "at work" shift under extreme conditions. I would love to hear input from other JC members on this. Read the article below::clap:

http://www.pilotjobs.com/2009/09/fa...-some-carriers-to-hire-additional-pilots.html
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I like your glass half full outlook, but I'm gonna say it's unlikely anything good will come out of this, probably just more furloughed pilots with a lot more experience than the people trying to start their careers. It will just compound the problems that already exist.....I would LOVE to be wrong.
 
kiloalpha said:
More than likely, the airlines would cut routes, raise fares, and furlough more pilots. But what do I know.
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Probably correct in the short term. Once the economy improves, it'll require higher staffing at the surviving airlines just like the RAP system did.
 
Wouldn't this mean having to have 3 pilots on your average JFK-LAX flight?
 
*I'm sticking to my trifecta theory:

1. Increased minimums (1500/ATP) will have the regionals scrambling to hire CFI's to grandfather them in. Once that's over, there will be VERY few new hire candidates out there.

2. A lot of older guys that kept their spots due to the age 65 rule will be forced out further exacerbating demand at the regional level.

3. Absolutely zero banks are financing flight training in the US. Now the shortage will hit the CFI level.

The only reason I'm touting shortage is because of #3. It is a fact that banks stopped financing flight training to any and all 141 schools. The exception would be a flight training college (UND, ERAU). I think that as the economy recovers, these will be some pressing issues.

*results may vary
 
adk said:
Wouldn't this mean having to have 3 pilots on your average JFK-LAX flight?
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BUT it might end up manifesting an era of cruise pilots/IRO's and Multi-Crew Pilot Licensing in the US which may drive pay and benefits lower.
 
Doug Taylor said:
BUT it might end up manifesting an era of cruise pilots/IRO's and Multi-Crew Pilot Licensing in the US which may drive pay and benefits lower.
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I wasn't implying that it would help pilots, but rather that it seems kind of silly to need a relief pilot for a simple transcon.
 
I agree with your number 3. A few months ago I looked into a loan for my CFI ratings because I thought student loan rates were low..Well, I have an 800 credit score and an 8 year work history since college, a home loan, credit cards etc.... Bottom line is they wanted to charge me 10.5% and put my parents as co signers. I checked with my Bank (Wells Fargo) and the local San Diego Credit Union. They don't consider career training the same as student loans. They could only offer personal loans and those rates were 15% if I remember correctly. Wasn't worth it to me so I'm just paying as I go. So I don't know if aviation funding is totally gone or not but I can at least say that it's not attractive.

I'm personally optimistic about pay going up pretty rapidly over the next ten years. There just aren't that many young pilots going after the career. At least not that I see here in San Diego. I also think that everything goes in cycles and we've been bouncing along the bottom for a decade now and with the other factors that you mentioned that we will see an increase in pay and lifestyle.
 
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