"Contact ground point 7"

ClearedToTakeoff

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I'm confused, where I fly tower and ground are one whole digit off and the .70 is the same. 120.7 vs 121.7. Exiting the runway they always say "Contact ground point seven." How am I to deduce the fact that ground is one whole digit higher from tower by that comment? I'm not familiar with this terminology.
 
It's in the AIM I believe...maybe the P/CG. 121 is implied for ground when just told the "point ___" part.

-mini
 
Aeronautical Information Manual 4-3-14


c. The majority of ground control frequencies are in the 121.6-121.9 MHz bandwidth. Ground control frequencies are provided to eliminate frequency congestion on the tower (local control) frequency and are limited to communications between the tower and aircraft on the ground and between the tower and utility vehicles on the airport, provide a clear VHF channel for arriving and departing aircraft. They are used for issuance of taxi information, clearances, and other necessary contacts between the tower and aircraft or other vehicles operated on the airport. A pilot who has just landed should not change from the tower frequency to the ground control frequency until directed to do so by the controller. Normally, only one ground control frequency is assigned at an airport; however, at locations where the amount of traffic so warrants, a second ground control frequency and/or another frequency designated as a clearance delivery frequency, may be assigned.

d. A controller may omit the ground or local control frequency if the controller believes the pilot knows which frequency is in use. If the ground control frequency is in the 121 MHz bandwidth the controller may omit the numbers preceding the decimal point; e.g., 121.7, "CONTACT GROUND POINT SEVEN." However, if any doubt exists as to what frequency is in use, the pilot should promptly request the controller to provide that information.
 
Anyone know WHY most grounds are right around 121.x?

I have a theory, but it might be full of crap. I'm guessing that frequencies in the 121.x range are close enough to ELT freq (121.5) that if you set your ELT off when you land, it will bleed over onto ground control in your aircraft because the ELT antenna is so close to your Com antennae.

Full of crap? [Y/N]
 
Anyone know WHY most grounds are right around 121.x?

I have a theory, but it might be full of crap. I'm guessing that frequencies in the 121.x range are close enough to ELT freq (121.5) that if you set your ELT off when you land, it will bleed over onto ground control in your aircraft because the ELT antenna is so close to your Com antennae.

Full of crap? [Y/N]
I thought ELTs were going to 40-something?

-mini
 
Some related info...

Aeronautical Frequencies [87.173]

108.000 - 117.950 NavAids - VOR & localizer, 50 kHz step
118.000 - 121.400 ATC - towers & ARTCC
121.600 - 121.925 ATC - airport ground control
122.000 - 122.650 Flight Service Stations, 50 kHz step
122.700 - 123.500 * (see below)
123.600 - 128.800 ATC - towers & ARTCC
128.825 - 132.000 Enroute - airline company freqs
132.025 - 135.975 ATC - towers & ARTCC
136.000 - 136.475 Enroute - international
136.500 - 136.975 Enroute - domestic & international

25 kHz default spacing, AM for voice


UNICOM - Aeronautical advisory station at airport [87.217]
122.700 122.725
122.800 123.000
122.950 at airport w/ full-time tower
122.975 above 10,000'
123.050 123.075 at heliports

Multicom - common freq. at uncontrolled facilities [87.241]
122.850
122.900 primary CTAF
122.925 Fed/State natural resources

FSS - FAA Flight Service Stations [87.187]
122.000 122.050 EFAS "Flight Watch"
122.100 receive only (w/VOR)
122.200 standard FSS
123.600 123.650 AAS Airport Advisory Svc

Aviation Support - training, gliders, ballons, etc [87.323]
121.950
123.300 123.500
122.775 122.850 aviation services

Misc.
121.500 standard emergency freq., ELTs
123.100 Search And Rescue - actual
122.900 Search And Rescue - training
123.100 control tower at special events
122.825 122.875 Enroute airline ops - local area
122.750 air-to-air - private arcft
123.025 air-to-air - helicopter
131.550 ACARS - digital (airlines)
 
Anyone know WHY most grounds are right around 121.x?

I have a theory, but it might be full of crap. I'm guessing that frequencies in the 121.x range are close enough to ELT freq (121.5) that if you set your ELT off when you land, it will bleed over onto ground control in your aircraft because the ELT antenna is so close to your Com antennae.

Full of crap? [Y/N]
Ground frequencies were in the 121.x range long before ELT's were ever used. I have no idea how or why 121 is used, however. It was just never an issue to me.
 
Here's an excerpt from the 7110.65 Air Traffic Control Manual:

2-1-17. RADIO COMMUNICATIONS TRANSFER

1. The facility name or location name and terminal function to be contacted. TERMINAL: Omit the location name when transferring communications to another controller within your facility; except when instructing the aircraft to change frequency for final approach guidance include the name of the facility.

2. Frequency to use except the following may be omitted:

(c) TERMINAL:
(1) Ground or local control frequency if in your opinion the pilot knows which frequency is in use.
(2) The numbers preceding the decimal point if the ground control frequency is in the 121 MHz bandwidth.

EXAMPLE-
“Contact Tower."
“Contact Ground."
“Contact Ground Point Seven."
“Contact Ground, One Two Zero Point Eight."
“Contact Huntington Radio."
“Contact Departure."
“Contact Los Angeles Center, One Two Three Point Four."
 
I'm guessing that frequencies in the 121.x range are close enough to ELT freq (121.5) that if you set your ELT off when you land, it will bleed over onto ground control in your aircraft because the ELT antenna is so close to your Com antennae.
The ground control frequency was what it is long before ELTs came into existence. However, I have been told that the UHF emergency frequency (243.0) and VHF emergency frenquency (121.5) were selected as they are because a harmonic from one can be heard on the other because they are double the wave length. (Please don't ask me to defend or explain that statement, I just know it sounded good when I heard it.)
 
The ground control frequency was what it is long before ELTs came into existence. However, I have been told that the UHF emergency frequency (243.0) and VHF emergency frenquency (121.5) were selected as they are because a harmonic from one can be heard on the other because they are double the wave length. (Please don't ask me to defend or explain that statement, I just know it sounded good when I heard it.)
That part is true.
 
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