Conflict of Interest Question

ksutim

ksutim

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I currently have a TOL for ZFW, hoping I get my FOL any day now. So obviously this question isn't about present circumstances right now, but more so for the future. My younger brother is going to school to be a commercial pilot and is already 3/4 of the way through it. What happens if he enters my airspace that I am controlling. Do i get to control him or do I have to hand him off to someone else? I know I probably wouldn't know from his voice over the radio but what if he told me his flight numbers ahead of time. I wouldn't give him preferential treatment because he is a pain in my ass, but I could be called out for it couldn't I if someone else knew that? If there was a bad storm or something other pilots might think I was giving preferential treatment to him to get him safe first ya know. Just wondering what the protocol is. I'm sure I am not the first person in this situation. Nothing serious, just a little curious.
 
The FFAA's mainframe correlates yours and your brothers voices, matches them and yours, and his, headset catch on fire at the EXACT same moment causing a fiery heap of wreckage.:sarcasm::crazy:

Nothing happens. It happens all the time.
 
Not to hijack the thread but during my interview they hinted at that I would not be able to flight instruct anymore because of "conflict of interest." They also told us that we aren't aloud to have stocks in airlines and companies like GE (General Electric), Boeing, and a few others I'm forgetting. I don't completely understand the FAAs thinking on the issues because congressmen are aloud to have stocks in any company as far as I know and if you ask me that would be more of a conflict of interest than a controller having stock in an airline. But all in all the flight instructing one bugs me the most...
 
darli328 said:
Not to hijack the thread but during my interview they hinted at that I would not be able to flight instruct anymore because of "conflict of interest." They also told us that we aren't aloud to have stocks in airlines and companies like GE (General Electric), Boeing, and a few others I'm forgetting. I don't completely understand the FAAs thinking on the issues because congressmen are aloud to have stocks in any company as far as I know and if you ask me that would be more of a conflict of interest than a controller having stock in an airline. But all in all the flight instructing one bugs me the most...
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You can still flight instruct as long as it's not in the airspace that your facility controls. You cannot work for a scheduled air carrier. You cannot own any aviation related stocks (they give you a long list on your first day here). You also cannot own any mutual funds with more than 30% invested in aviation, provided you have no control over the funds' management.
 
nathanw said:
You can still flight instruct as long as it's not in the airspace that your facility controls. You cannot work for a scheduled air carrier. You cannot own any aviation related stocks (they give you a long list on your first day here). You also cannot own any mutual funds with more than 30% invested in aviation, provided you have no control over the funds' management.
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Thanks, I've been here at OKC for a wile now so I've seen the list you're talking about. I was just saying I think it's stupid (for lack of a better word) because we have less conflict of interest owning stock in a company then a congressmen does, even though the congressmen can own the stock. And for the flight instructing bit I'm going to a center, my students will never get their license if all I can do is teach in a local traffic pattern. It'll be hard pressed for me to find cross country airports that don't involve the center somehow... Plus anyways what FBO would want to hire someone that can't fly to certain airports because the near by center owns a block of airspace inbetween them?
 
nathanw said:
You can still flight instruct as long as it's not in the airspace that your facility controls. I was told It's ok to instruct in your airspace, no conflict You cannot work for a scheduled air carrier. True, Had to leave my last job vs Long Term Leave. You cannot own any aviation related stocks (they give you a long list on your first day here). You also cannot own any mutual funds with more than 30% invested in aviation, provided you have no control over the funds' management.
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You can flight instruct even in airspace you control (work). I work with a few people that do this and have written permission from the FAA for their outside employment. Now, if you owned a flight school on the property of an airport where you work in the tower that might be a different story.

 The regulations covering this can be found under:

  • 5 CFR 2635.101(b)(10), (14); 2635.801(c)
  • FAA Order 3750.7 Appendix 5
  • DOT Supplemental Regulations 5 CFR 6001

 Employees are not required to seek approval in advance of seeking outside employment; however, if they do seek approval from an FAA ethics official, that will be considered in the event that it is later determined that the employee was in violation of the ethics rules and should mitigate any discipline. If the employee does not seek approval, he or she is subject to discipline up to and including removal.


 I hope this info helps.
 
Okay, here is one for you all.

I own stock in GE. My husband owns stock in Jetblue from when he worked there. We do NOT have that information here with us in OKC. Obviously he HAS to sell his Jetblue stock. Do I have to sell my GE stock?

Also - this is like the CRAPPIEST TIME EVER to have to sell stock!
 
It is never a bad time to sell stock. Just make sure to replace it with another stock that is even more undervalued and then you will be even better off.
 
Fox Xray said:
You can flight instruct even in airspace you control (work). I work with a few people that do this and have written permission from the FAA for their outside employment. Now, if you owned a flight school on the property of an airport where you work in the tower that might be a different story.

The regulations covering this can be found under:


  • 5 CFR 2635.101(b)(10), (14); 2635.801(c)
  • FAA Order 3750.7 Appendix 5
  • DOT Supplemental Regulations 5 CFR 6001
Employees are not required to seek approval in advance of seeking outside employment; however, if they do seek approval from an FAA ethics official, that will be considered in the event that it is later determined that the employee was in violation of the ethics rules and should mitigate any discipline. If the employee does not seek approval, he or she is subject to discipline up to and including removal.


I hope this info helps.
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Thank you Fox Xray... That's really good to hear!
 
teetee said:
Okay, here is one for you all.

I own stock in GE. My husband owns stock in Jetblue from when he worked there. We do NOT have that information here with us in OKC. Obviously he HAS to sell his Jetblue stock. Do I have to sell my GE stock?

Also - this is like the CRAPPIEST TIME EVER to have to sell stock!
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I wish I could find out more about this myself...
 
teetee said:
Okay, here is one for you all.

I own stock in GE. My husband owns stock in Jetblue from when he worked there. We do NOT have that information here with us in OKC. Obviously he HAS to sell his Jetblue stock. Do I have to sell my GE stock?

Also - this is like the CRAPPIEST TIME EVER to have to sell stock!
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You're not the employee, so no.
 
teetee said:
Okay, here is one for you all.

I own stock in GE. My husband owns stock in Jetblue from when he worked there. We do NOT have that information here with us in OKC. Obviously he HAS to sell his Jetblue stock. Do I have to sell my GE stock?

Also - this is like the CRAPPIEST TIME EVER to have to sell stock!
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SoonerATC said:
You're not the employee, so no.
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Yes, you do. The regulation applies to all family members as well. I think even parents too.
 
nathanw said:
Yes, you do. The regulation applies to all family members as well. I think even parents too.
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im calling BS on the it applying to parents.....my dad works for a major air carrier and nobody ever told me my parents had to sell their airline stock
 
thesoonerkid said:
im calling BS on the it applying to parents.....my dad works for a major air carrier and nobody ever told me my parents had to sell their airline stock
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Well i wasn't sure on that one. But I know for sure it applies to spouses and minor children.
 
nathanw said:
Well i wasn't sure on that one. But I know for sure it applies to spouses and minor children.
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Either way, I still think it's unfair... Out of curiousity is there any way to get around it? Sign something that says you won't give all boeing aircraft priority or something stupid like that?
 
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