Commerical checkride multi-engine question

Baronguy18

Baronguy18

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Hey guys, had a quick question about my commercial checkride tommorow. It is my initial commercial which I am doing in my twin. I already hold my Private multi with an instrument rating. During my private multi checkride I had to fly a single engine instrument approach, no big deal. Since I did this last time, should I expect to again? Iv been practicing them so i am prepared to do so if need im just wanting to know if I should expect that.

Thanks,
Chris
 
No approach, it will basically be just a multi-private checkride with the manuevers to commercial standards. I did mine the same way you are doing...
 
Chris Likins said:
Hey guys, had a quick question about my commercial checkride tommorow. It is my initial commercial which I am doing in my twin. I already hold my Private multi with an instrument rating. During my private multi checkride I had to fly a single engine instrument approach, no big deal. Since I did this last time, should I expect to again? Iv been practicing them so i am prepared to do so if need im just wanting to know if I should expect that.

Thanks,
Chris
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If a pilot gets to the night before a check ride and does not know what tasks will be required of them the next day, it is pretty clear evidence that they need a better flight instructor.
 
wjmiller3 said:
No approach, it will basically be just a multi-private checkride with the manuevers to commercial standards. I did mine the same way you are doing...
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Why do you think Task D, in Area VIII, of Section 2, in FAA-S-8081-12B would not be required?
 
PeterPilot said:
Why do you think Task D, in Area VIII, of Section 2, in FAA-S-8081-12B would not be required?
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Since you made me get up and dig through my stuff to find a PTS, that is required..... BUT, that is not an instrument approach. Its just a normal single engine landing.

edit: I guess I should have clarified and said no INSTRUMENT approach in the original post..
 
PeterPilot said:
If a pilot gets to the night before a check ride and does not know what tasks will be required of them the next day, it is pretty clear evidence that they need a better flight instructor.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with just being prepared to do anything that's in the PTS. There are more important things to study other than every possible permutation of the Areas of Operation, unless you are a DPE.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
I don't think there is anything wrong with just being prepared to do anything that's in the PTS. There are more important things to study other than every possible permutation of the Areas of Operation, unless you are a DPE.
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:confused:

The PTS is straight forward. If you are prepared for anything in the PTS, you are prepared for any permutation possible.

Tis late, confussed and I'm hungry.

Plus the approach is not going to be on the Checkride since the applicant has already demonstrated the maneuver with-in PTS on a checkride.

As Peter said, the CFI slipped up.
 
PeterPilot said:
If a pilot gets to the night before a check ride and does not know what tasks will be required of them the next day, it is pretty clear evidence that they need a better flight instructor.
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First, My instructor flew United 747's and has over 36,000 hours and over 5000 just in barons and years of instructing (plane i took the checkride in)
Second, I passed the checkride and there was NO instrument approach involved whatsoever. (as we both suspected and only needed a little clarification)
 
Chris Likins said:
First, My instructor flew United 747's and has over 36,000 hours and over 5000 just in barons and years of instructing (plane i took the checkride in)
Second, I passed the checkride and there was NO instrument approach involved whatsoever. (as we both suspected and only needed a little clarification)

It is clear evidence you need to get your facts straight before posting
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Peters statement might have been a little harsh, but there is a lot of truth in it. Flying 747's and 36,000 hours does NOT make you a automatic excellent instructor. Not saying that yours isn't, but those attributes are not what makes one a great instructor. Not knowing what tasks are going to be in your students checkride the next day does raise an eyebrow though... just sayin.. Cause it is HIS job to know these things.
 
Baronguy18 said:
Hey guys, had a quick question about my commercial checkride tommorow. It is my initial commercial which I am doing in my twin. I already hold my Private multi with an instrument rating. During my private multi checkride I had to fly a single engine instrument approach, no big deal. Since I did this last time, should I expect to again? Iv been practicing them so i am prepared to do so if need im just wanting to know if I should expect that.

Thanks,
Chris
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The main thing was that you were prepared for it just in case the DPE asked for it whether you did it on your last checkride or not. If the DPE asked for it what are you gonna tell him, well since we did it last time I didn't think I would have to do it again!

Congrats on passing ! :beer:
 
just so you know on the PTS, there is a statement authorizes the examiner to test you on whatever he thinks necessary to your rating.
 
PeterPilot said:
Please provide the paragraph that states that.
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See #11.. It's a catch-all

Special Emphasis Areas
Examiners shall place special emphasis upon areas of aircraft
operations considered critical to flight safety. Among these are:
1. positive aircraft control;
2. positive exchange of the flight controls procedure (who is flying
the airplane);
3. stall/spin awareness;
4. collision avoidance;
5. wake turbulence avoidance;
6. Land and Hold Short Operations (LAHSO);
7. runway incursion avoidance;
8. controlled flight into terrain (CFIT);
9. aeronautical decision making (ADM);
10. checklist usage; and
11. other areas deemed appropriate to any phase of the practical​

test.
 
wjmiller3 said:
See #11.. It's a catch-all

11. other areas deemed appropriate to any phase of the practical test.
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I see your logic, but I would not word that special emphasis area with quite the broad brush authority to test on anything the examiner feels is necessary.

It does indeed seem to be a poorly worded line in the PTS that could be interpreted many ways.
 
Baronguy18 said:
I passed the checkride and there was NO instrument approach involved whatsoever. (as we both suspected and only needed a little clarification)
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Just to clarify: Were you requesting instrument privileges on your commercial license? Since no approaches were done, I suspect your commercial license is limited to VFR only.
 
Mike H said:
Just to clarify: Were you requesting instrument privileges on your commercial license? Since no approaches were done, I suspect your commercial license is limited to VFR only.
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He already has instrument privileges for multiengine. From the Commercial Multiengine PTS:

Area of Operation X: Multiengine Operations:
If the applicant is instrument rated, and has previously demonstrated instrument proficiency in a multiengine airplane, TASKs D (instrument approach with OEI) and C (engine failure during flight by reference to instruments) need not be
accomplished.

Like mentioned in an above post, the examiner could have tested it as his discretion, but it isn't automatically required.
 
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