commercial x-c

triple7

triple7

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I just want to make sure i have this correct....I am flying my commercial long solo x-c. I am departing JYO, flying to montauk(mtp---285 miles away). landing, then flying to FRG-republic 70 miles away. Landing and flying back to jyo 200 miles away. Am i legal in filling this requirement based on the information i gave? i assumed land at 3 airports( does it matter if i land where i started? go 300 miles round trip, with one leg being 250 miles. am i correct?
 
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As long as those miles are NM, then that looks good to me.

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actually they are statute....didnt think that mattered.
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I just want to make sure i have this correct....I am flying my commercial long solo x-c. I am departing JYO, flying to montauk(mtp---285 miles away). landing, then flying to FRG-republic 70 miles away. Landing and flying back to jyo 200 miles away. Am i legal in filling this requirement based on the information i gave? i assumed land at 3 airports( does it matter if i land where i started? go 300 miles round trip, with one leg being 250 miles. am i correct?

[/ QUOTE ]Sure sounds like it,

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One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point.
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You have
the >300 NM total distance
the landing 250 NM from your initial departure
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the 3 landings (yes, the landing when you return home counts)
 
Have fun on the trip. I've just started my Commercial training so I have the solo x-c to look forward to too.

Please make sure you post your experience here when you return !
 
A related question: to count for the commercial cert., does the long x-c have to be conducted after starting commercial training with an instructor, OR can any long x-c (i.e. over 300 NM, etc.) conducted after earning the PPL count? The organization of 61.129 seems to suggest the former.
 
It doesnt matter... that's the beauty of part 61.... its pretty unstructured so you can do it when you want to do it. I did mine already, and I havent started my instrument training yet.
 
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A related question: to count for the commercial cert., does the long x-c have to be conducted after starting commercial training with an instructor, OR can any long x-c (i.e. over 300 NM, etc.) conducted after earning the PPL count? The organization of 61.129 seems to suggest the former.

[/ QUOTE ]You've hit on a potential sore point. You sort have to go through a bunch of stuff to get to a tentative answer.

Here are some pieces. You can draw your own conclusions. Mine is that if the CFI who is signing the 8710 and endorsing taking the practical test thinks it should count, it does. (I didn't just write this now - most of it is saved from comments in prior discussions on a similar issue). The references are to the AFS-640 Part 61 FAQ written by John Lynch.

First is a question Lynch answered about whether instrument training received during training for the Commercial Certificate can count toward the instrument training required for the instrument rating. Cutting out portions that deal with pre-private training, he said

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I can't give you a yes or no straight answer to your question. It depends. The flight instructor is going to have to review the applicant's training records and see whether the training received is equivalent and creditable to the training required by § 61.65(c).
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The second is a piece of his answer to whether student solo experience could be used to satisfy 61.129 solo requirements. After saying the expected "No", Lynch turned to post private time:

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An applicant who FIRST holds a Private Pilot Certificate could use POST private pilot certificate aeronautical experience that meets requirements of § 61.129(a)(4) acquired before formally starting commercial training as long as it is documented in a logbook or training record...
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So the key seem to be whether or not the flight meets the standards of what the Commercial experience requirements and tasks are looking for, and that the endorsing CFI is in the hot seat in making that judgment
 
[/ QUOTE ]You've hit on a potential sore point.

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Go me.

Seriously, though, thanks for that information. Since there does seem to be an ambiguity there (and I'm not just crazy), I'll just get the instructor's blessing before I go. I haven't made the long x-c yet, and, although I know where I will be doing my comm. training, I haven't started that yet either. Just time building for now (170 and counting!!). I figure it can't hurt to try to double-up on some of this stuff.

MF
 
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