Colgan loses AUG

beechpilot said:
Yeah, it is what it is. The loads were down anyway, so a 402 is probably better suited for the market. We'll see what happens.
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Loads were down? Didn't we always count on the loads being down so we could pull a couple airplanes away from AUG/RKD to do 15 round trips with the 1900?

I know now the Saab is running back and forth and that's almost 26 adults back and forth in the summer, or 23 adults and 7 children, or 22 adults 6 children and 8 service monkeys, or 2 adults and 5 kids and all the bags you left behind on the last 6 runs.
 
Yes, indeed sad to see AUG go by the wayside along with some of the other communities we served in New England. However, I think that this trend will continue as PNCL slowly weans themself off EAS flying and toward "large turboprop" flying and markets.
 
Is leaving EAS flying a good idea though? In many cases this is guaranteed revenue. Except of course when you're stupid like Mesa.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Loads were down? Didn't we always count on the loads being down so we could pull a couple airplanes away from AUG/RKD to do 15 round trips with the 1900?

I know now the Saab is running back and forth and that's almost 26 adults back and forth in the summer, or 23 adults and 7 children, or 22 adults 6 children and 8 service monkeys, or 2 adults and 5 kids and all the bags you left behind on the last 6 runs.
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Yeah 15 round trips to BHB! That place is the money maker in the summer.
 
BE19Pilot said:
Yes, indeed sad to see AUG go by the wayside along with some of the other communities we served in New England. However, I think that this trend will continue as PNCL slowly weans themself off EAS flying and toward "large turboprop" flying and markets.
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Yeah, I agree with you. AUG was one of the last "old school" Colgan cities they served and, since growth is moving in a different direction, I think they weren't going to be here forever anyway.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Is leaving EAS flying a good idea though? In many cases this is guaranteed revenue. Except of course when you're stupid like Mesa.
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Agreed, EAS is a definite revenue stream for the airline business, but it is also vulnerable in today's fiscal climate at the federal level and only exists through the politicians that support it (for now). Ultimately, if you were to read into the memos and other corporate communications that have filtered through to the point employees it is apparent that the PNCL folks want to pursue only large turboprop flying (50+ seats or more) and 90 seat RJs. This is the future of the company. The mainline codeshares are looking for cheapest lift to feed their profitable trunk and international flying, and I think that we will see even more consolidation and reduction of capacity as the economy is still staggering in it's recovery.
 
AUG sucks. I hate flying in there. Now we can grab some more EAS routes that carry more pax. Watertown here we come! Look out Cape air
 
BE19Pilot said:
Agreed, EAS is a definite revenue stream for the airline business, but it is also vulnerable in today's fiscal climate at the federal level and only exists through the politicians that support it (for now). Ultimately, if you were to read into the memos and other corporate communications that have filtered through to the point employees it is apparent that the PNCL folks want to pursue only large turboprop flying (50+ seats or more) and 90 seat RJs. This is the future of the company. The mainline codeshares are looking for cheapest lift to feed their profitable trunk and international flying, and I think that we will see even more consolidation and reduction of capacity as the economy is still staggering in it's recovery.
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True, but still I would ride it till the wheels fall off if I was Pinnacorp. Unless there are large costs involved from keeping the 1900s that operate most of the EAS routes.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Is leaving EAS flying a good idea though? In many cases this is guaranteed revenue. Except of course when you're stupid like Mesa.
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Depending on the FFD contracts with CAL and Delta, that's almost guaranteed revenue, too. Well, unless you can't meet the rather low performance requirements.
 
I agree. AUG sucks. Don't get me wrong the airport and people there are great but flying the Saab in there sucks. No one likes going in there. It was no problem in the Beech and it will be great for the 402. I know I'm not alone when I say that its not the safest airport for the Saab. Talk to any of the old Beech guys at the top of our list and they will agree. All of our new restrictions are all because of THAT airport.

There was nothing worst than that last flight to BHB at night that did the whistle stop in AUG. Many a nights were spent in a nasty 2.5 hr cab ride from AUG to BHB. We would get cancelled in AUG when BHB went below mins after we took off from BOS. I'm having colganoscopy flashbacks just thinkin of it.

Cape Air will do a great job with it. Time to move on.
 
ajdwings said:
I agree. AUG sucks. Don't get me wrong the airport and people there are great but flying the Saab in there sucks. No one likes going in there. It was no problem in the Beech and it will be great for the 402. I know I'm not alone when I say that its not the safest airport for the Saab. Talk to any of the old Beech guys at the top of our list and they will agree. All of our new restrictions are all because of THAT airport.

There was nothing worst than that last flight to BHB at night that did the whistle stop in AUG. Many a nights were spent in a nasty 2.5 hr cab ride from AUG to BHB. We would get cancelled in AUG when BHB went below mins after we took off from BOS. I'm having colganoscopy flashbacks just thinkin of it.

Cape Air will do a great job with it. Time to move on.
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The beech has no problem with anything. Ever. The 1900 can even carry 34 people. Steps are:

  1. Fill empty Saab up with 34 people and bags and door open, batteries on.
  2. Attach strong chain to back of 1900
  3. Attach chain to nose gear strut of Saab
  4. Fill 1900 with Gas
  5. Taxi carefully
  6. Takeoff dragging Saab behind
  7. Landing can be tricky, make sure you have qualified passenger to operate brakes on saab (that's why we left the batts on).
  8. Taxi to gate carefully.
 
ajdwings said:
I agree. AUG sucks. Don't get me wrong the airport and people there are great but flying the Saab in there sucks. No one likes going in there. It was no problem in the Beech and it will be great for the 402. I know I'm not alone when I say that its not the safest airport for the Saab. Talk to any of the old Beech guys at the top of our list and they will agree. All of our new restrictions are all because of THAT airport.

There was nothing worst than that last flight to BHB at night that did the whistle stop in AUG. Many a nights were spent in a nasty 2.5 hr cab ride from AUG to BHB. We would get cancelled in AUG when BHB went below mins after we took off from BOS. I'm having colganoscopy flashbacks just thinkin of it.

Cape Air will do a great job with it. Time to move on.
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I didn't realize it was that bad taking the Saab in here. I definitely felt bad for those in BHB that had to do 4711, especially in the winter. Between fog and heavy snow at times, it seems like the Saab was stuck here quite a bit. I know I won't miss deicing that thing at night in the winter. :D
 
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