Clearance on Request

B767Driver

B767Driver

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"Clearance on request" is phraseology used by clearance delivery or ground control to request an IFR clearance from a controlling agency. It is not meant for use by a pilot requesting his IFR clearance during initial call-up. I don't know about you...but for me to hear a pilot state "LGA Clearance, N12345 clearance on request to RDU" is akin to scratching fingernails on a chalkboard. Anyway...heard it twice this week.
 
I've never heard anyone say that. The only usage of clearance on request I've heard is from ground telling us that they don't have our clearance yet, usually followed by permission to taxi. Which is then follow by a mad rush to write the clearance down while I try to taxi.....
 
greaper007 said:
I've never heard anyone say that. The only usage of clearance on request I've heard is from ground telling us that they don't have our clearance yet, usually followed by permission to taxi. Which is then follow by a mad rush to write the clearance down while I try to taxi.....
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There is no rule that you have to taxi as soon as they start reading off the taxi directions to you....And where are you that you need to write it down? Only place I've been so far where I sometimes need to write down the taxi instructions is LGA.
 
FlyingNole said:
....And where are you that you need to write it down? Only place I've been so far where I sometimes need to write down the taxi instructions is LGA.
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I fly to O'hare infrequently these days...so when I'm there waiting for my taxi instructions I'm waiting like a shortstop ready to field a hot ground ball. If you screw it up...you might as well come back the next day...'cause you won't get service again any time soon.
 
greaper007 said:
I've never heard anyone say that. The only usage of clearance on request I've heard is from ground telling us that they don't have our clearance yet, usually followed by permission to taxi. Which is then follow by a mad rush to write the clearance down while I try to taxi.....
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I always say that, usually along the lines of "IFR to ABC, clearance on request, ready to copy." Wasn't aware that it was wrong, but then again, I'm just copying off what my instructors said, and I'm sure they are doing the same. What does everyone else say?
 
fish314 said:
I always say that, usually along the lines of "IFR to ABC, clearance on request, ready to copy." Wasn't aware that it was wrong, but then again, I'm just copying off what my instructors said, and I'm sure they are doing the same. What does everyone else say?
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Clearance, callsign, IFR DULLES, information ALPHA

I've always been a fan of keeping it short, especially at busy airports. It was always frustrating during peak push time to have a less experienced pilot burn a bunch of airtime asking for a clearance. We all have to learn, but is still frustrating when 60 a/c are trying to get their clearances.
 
fish314 said:
I always say that, usually along the lines of "IFR to ABC, clearance on request, ready to copy." Wasn't aware that it was wrong, but then again, I'm just copying off what my instructors said, and I'm sure they are doing the same. What does everyone else say?
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I think it's a Air Force thing, that's the way I was taught back in UPT in 1980. Never had a clc delivery question it or correct it in 26 years, though.
 
I agree, MDPilot, must be an AF thing. But then again I don't fly into too many really busy places that often. Usually just AF bases, and a few medium size civilian fields. Never O'hare or JFK or whatever.
 
Two big pet peeves:

"Departure, Airliner 1234 WITH YOU five thousand climbing one zero thousand"

and

"Salt Lake Center, S'UP, Airliner 1234..."

Grrr. "with you" doesn't mean jack and "Wassup/S'up", while ok in person, makes you sound like a complete moron on the radio.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Two big pet peeves:

"Departure, Airliner 1234 WITH YOU five thousand climbing one zero thousand"

and

"Salt Lake Center, S'UP, Airliner 1234..."

Grrr. "with you" doesn't mean jack and "Wassup/S'up", while ok in person, makes you sound like a complete moron on the radio.
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Awww i think it sounds so cool when pilots say WITH YOU.

I sometimes will turn on my scanner just to listen and i hear all the east bound flights climb out over my house getting their ok'ed for higher altitude and hear the common "United 234 heavy WITH YOU climbing 11,000 for FL290.
 
"With you" grates on my nerves. Probably a personal thing. :pirate:

Maybe the "Clearance on Request" as an initial call from the pilot is a military thing. The only time that I hear it is when I call in for my clearance and the controller doesn't have it right there in front of them. When they have to dig in the system or make a call to the controlling agency to get the clearance they will often respond back to my initial call with "clearance on request". I understand that as the verbal shorthand equivalent to "stand by, I know what you want, I don't have it, I'm finding it for you and will call you back when I get it".

:)
 
No source, but I believe this is accurate:

"Clearance on Request" indicates the controller is requesting your IFR clearance from either the computer or from another controller. It does not mean that you, the pilot, should request it to be read to you.
 
fish314 said:
... must be an AF thing.
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It IS taught by the Air Force.

It IS incorrect.

It WAS a hard habit to break. :)


(A lot of people don't realize yet that it's incorrect, so they have no incentive to change. Others have learned that it's incorrect and just don't care.)


:)


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What are your thoughts on airliners getting their clearance and saying "IFR to___". Saw someone ranting about this once because "Oh, I thought you were VFR to ORD today!"
 
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