Citation SIC flight training requirments?

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J777Fly

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Hi,

As the SIC courses have no checkride requirements, can someone who has been through a course describe the flight training involved in getting a SIC Type rating for a Citation?

And normally, how long does it take in terms of flying hours? Either in the aircraft or sim.
 
I can't speak for a Citatation, but I recently did a Falcon 20 SIC initial at SimuFlite. I did the exact same ground school as the PIC initial. I did the exact same first 3 days of simulator as PIC. My training record shows 6 hours pilot flying in the sim and 6 hours pilot not flying.
 
I just did an "in airplane" SIC Type for our new FO. It's all covered in 61.55 what must be covered. Everything else is optional. How you cover it is up to you. Most places do a day or two shorter than a full PIC type and it's the same training. Maybe a couple sim sessions less to keep the cost down.

-mini
 
Ive done three "SIC" initials...


They are the same exact stuff as the PIC just there was now check involved. Now if you are doing a 135 SIC then usually there will be a checkride with reduced criteria.

The training is the EXACT same. This is the way FSI does it.
 
So to get the the actual sign off from the check airman or instructor, what type of flight manouvers do you perform? (**not necesarily in the citation, but from your experience in the aircraft you did it in**)
 
J777Fly said:
So to get the the actual sign off from the check airman or instructor, what type of flight manouvers do you perform? (**not necesarily in the citation, but from your experience in the aircraft you did it in**)
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In the Cj, we did a normal takeoff, normal landing and a single engine landing. In flight, we did a steep turn and a stall (approach configuration) so he could get "the feel" for the aircraft. We also did single engine "maneuvering" (turning, descending, etc.) and covered "procedures" (we computed the reduced flap ref speeds and landing distances. We did 2 normal ILSs, a single engine visual, and a circling approach.

Next tour we're going to do an engine failure after V1 and a no flap landing if we have the runway available...just to do it. It isn't required by 61.55. We spent about 8 hours on the ground running over systems. We did the "required" stuff over the course of two days and we'll continue to get into more detail on the road. I tried to get approved to do 3-4 days of training and 2-3 flights, but money is tight, so he got the bare minimum.

At one of the "big schools", you'll get much more detailed training than that. Again, it'll be a day or two less than a PIC training event and a few sim sessions shorter most likely.

-mini
 
And Mini. just to reiterate, FSI's SIC courses are the exact same as the PIC, just the check at the end is either done or it isnt.
 
Depends on if it is a 135 check... which is a SIC CHECKRIDE. No Circle, Emer Descent, No steep turns.

If it a 91 SIC Initial, then they just drop the last checkride day completely.
 
We work with local University flight schools alot and get alot of students doing a Citation 550 SIC, and ive worked with them in it more than once. Now, I believe a company can request a checkride, but I am not 100 percent sure on that.
 
Crockrocket94 said:
We work with local University flight schools alot and get alot of students doing a Citation 550 SIC, and ive worked with them in it more than once. Now, I believe a company can request a checkride, but I am not 100 percent sure on that.
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I have no doubt that when the $ starts flowing they'll do pretty much whatever you want. I just wasn't sure what their "standard" procedure was.

For example: When I went to 525S school in May, standard "S" school just includes a single pilot type ride with no "SIC". The boss-man requested that they do a 61.58 (two pilot) check on me as well, which bought me until the end of September on my CE-500 type...so they did that.

For a nominal fee, they'd probably let you bring your dog as a copilot.

-mini
 
Crockrocket94 said:
True story.


Companies can bring their own Co-pilot, even if the co-pilot isnt under any training contract.
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Wow.

Oh, I almost forgot.



....Ann Arbor is a (derogatory term for female that likes to shack up with any guy that's willing to buy her dinner, booze or both)...starts with a w ends in e, you fill in the rest... :):yup:

-mini
 
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