Chicken before the egg?

UDaviator

UDaviator

Domo Arigato, Mister Roboto
Got the old classic "Does the chicken come before the egg?" problem. Want the job, but need time in type. I've networked and called everyone within 200 miles of me who has the aircraft, but can't seem to get that break to get in the right seat! Grrrrrr.....any suggestions? How do y'all get time in type to get the job? Because usually you can't get the job until you ACTUALLY get the time. Make sense?
 
UDaviator said:
Got the old classic "Does the chicken come before the egg?" problem. Want the job, but need time in type. I've networked and called everyone within 200 miles of me who has the aircraft, but can't seem to get that break to get in the right seat! Grrrrrr.....any suggestions? How do y'all get time in type to get the job? Because usually you can't get the job until you ACTUALLY get the time. Make sense?
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Where? What kind of aircraft?
 
In the midwest for an owner/operator Part 91 gig flying a King Air 200. Did a bunch of groundwork for them and now they say "I think we'd like to see 100 hours in type".....I have right around 25
 
My company is looking for pilots. Be-200/be-9ls in the MSP area. PM me if you want details
 
If you get on with an airline that flys an EMB-145, thats a pretty good type rating to have as you can apply for some legacy jobs. There are a lot of lear operators out there thst hire right seat with no type. Once you get some time in type, start looking at operators that fly not only that type, and that could set you up for internal transfer provided your a good employee.
 
100 hours in type to sit right seat in a part 91 operated King Air 200? That's one of the odder requirements I've heard.
 
UDaviator said:
In the midwest for an owner/operator Part 91 gig flying a King Air 200. Did a bunch of groundwork for them and now they say "I think we'd like to see 100 hours in type".....I have right around 25
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That sounds like a horrible place to work.
 
milleR said:
Are you trying to get a PIC position?
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Yes, that is exactly it.
milleR said:
You're not a required crew member.
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It's an owner operator who thinks they know everything when it comes to crewing an aircraft. It started with get 25 hours in the plane, then we can make it happen. Now it has turned into, "I feel I want someone up front who has 100 hours" Bulls***! Did all kinds of ground work for them, like I stated above. But now has changed from 25 to 100 hours in aircraft. I've spent my free time making calls to people within 250 miles of me with a B200, driven to those places to sit right seat, and now this. I thought I was there....but now its changed.
 
UDaviator said:
Yes, that is exactly it.

It's an owner operator who thinks they know everything when it comes to crewing an aircraft. It started with get 25 hours in the plane, then we can make it happen. Now it has turned into, "I feel I want someone up front who has 100 hours" Bulls***! Did all kinds of ground work for them, like I stated above. But now has changed from 25 to 100 hours in aircraft. I've spent my free time making calls to people within 250 miles of me with a B200, driven to those places to sit right seat, and now this. I thought I was there....but now its changed.
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Gotcha. I'm sorry, when I read your original post I just assumed "right seat" meant SIC. My bad. Is this an insurance requirement or simply an arbitrary change? It wouldn't surprise me if the carrier wanted 100 hours due to your relatively low time. Just as an example, when I got my first single pilot turbine job in a PC12 the insurance wanted a single engine ATP, SimCom recurrent and 100 hours in type. It sounds like looking elsewhere for employment would be your best option though. Looking at your profile it seems you're close to 135 mins, why not try AMF?
 
milleR said:
Is this an insurance requirement or simply an arbitrary change? It wouldn't surprise me if the carrier wanted 100 hours due to your relatively low time.
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Carrier only wanted 10 hours...that's what bugs me the most! And its either someplace like AMF or check out some regionals? Haven't quite made the decision yet on what ta do.....
 
UDaviator said:
Yes, that is exactly it.

It's an owner operator who thinks they know everything when it comes to crewing an aircraft. It started with get 25 hours in the plane, then we can make it happen. Now it has turned into, "I feel I want someone up front who has 100 hours" Bulls***! Did all kinds of ground work for them, like I stated above. But now has changed from 25 to 100 hours in aircraft. I've spent my free time making calls to people within 250 miles of me with a B200, driven to those places to sit right seat, and now this. I thought I was there....but now its changed.
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Take that as a sign of things to come. They're acting odd now, you think it's going to get any better once you're in the door? It won't.
 
I can think of a few symbolic gestures you may want to consider offering this employer. But then again, you might not have enough middle fingers, because I think that's basically what he's giving you. On point: I think this sounds like your bosses very unprofessional, passive aggressive way of telling you he wants you out.
 
^^^ This is good advice.

When you get the time they ask for, they'll come up with something else "needed" that you don't have. And if you jump through all the hoops, they'll know they've got you for almost nothing.
Be very careful in these situations, standards are easily set (by the guy with the keys.)
 
UDaviator said:
Got the old classic "Does the chicken come before the egg?" problem. Want the job, but need time in type. I've networked and called everyone within 200 miles of me who has the aircraft, but can't seem to get that break to get in the right seat! Grrrrrr.....any suggestions? How do y'all get time in type to get the job? Because usually you can't get the job until you ACTUALLY get the time. Make sense?
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My opinion, focus on doing the job you have to the best of your ability. Networking is important, but I think nothing does more to advance your career than a good reputation, and you get that by doing good work.
 
Cut bait. This is going nowhere. He used your effort and is now putting up arbitrary barriers. That's not going to change unless it's for the worse. Cut your losses regarding time spent.
 
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