Check Ride Failure

Had busted my CFI ride 2 times 3 years ago from then on i have 2500 hours a gold seal on my instructor license i have trained more than 40 students with a pass rate of 90% . I Never failed any other license I also got My CFII MEI..
I decided to take my ATP as luck would have it on my single engine ILS Approach The good Engine failed due to Mechanical fault but still got a pink ticket on it rest every thing when good so that leaves me with 3 busts and not a good candidate for Airlines when my student are flying for the airlines life sucks i guess its a very narrow minded approach
 
anuragmital said:
Had busted my CFI ride 2 times 3 years ago from then on i have 2500 hours a gold seal on my instructor license i have trained more than 40 students with a pass rate of 90% . I Never failed any other license I also got My CFII MEI..
I decided to take my ATP as luck would have it on my single engine ILS Approach The good Engine failed due to Mechanical fault but still got a pink ticket on it rest every thing when good so that leaves me with 3 busts and not a good candidate for Airlines when my student are flying for the airlines life sucks i guess its a very narrow minded approach
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Why would you get a pink slip for an engine failing on an ILS? If that is all there was it should have been a letter of discontinuance.
 
Maybe the VMC roll had something to do with it!

Examiner - "I've got the controls" = immediate FAIL ...... Just a guess though!
 
Give it some time. When all this stuff blows over from the Colgan incident, and all the "qualified" applicant are picked up, there will be no choice to pick up guys with multiple busts. That is of course, if the pilot shortage ever materializes.
 
To not hire someone because of 1 or 2 busts is pretty dumb, in my opinion. Especially if those failures occurred during primary training. If you have someone who failed their PP and IR but then went on to pass their Commercial, CFI, and II first try as well as have a good pass-rate with their students, then what's the big deal? You're gonna red-flag a guy because he goofed up a steep turn and didn't enter a hold correctly over 5 years ago? Based on that, they can be accurately deemed un-safe and not hireable? Please.

To me it's not about making a mistake, it's about how you reacted after the mistake was made. Did you accept responsibility for it? Did you learn from it? Did it make you a better pilot in the long run? Did you end up turning that weakness into a strength? See what I mean?

The airlines can pick and choose right now because their is an over-abundance of supply and not too much demand. Once demand picks up, the requirements will lower (Don't they always?) and I bet the airlines will start to not really care as much about the subject.
 
I've never heard that before (not saying its wrong) but its pretty damn weak. I fly with a guy who almost failed his FS type ride which is easier (in my opinion) to fail then most checkrides...thats being said I would have put him in charge of any airplane over 99% of any other pilots out there. He can fly the crap out of any plane. He got in trouble because of his lack of avionics knowledge etc...I suppose you can fail for tons of reasons and its sort of unfair to not hire someone because they failed a ride unless its asked as to why....just my thought, could be wrong, probably am haha.
 
FDX8891 said:
To not hire someone because of 1 or 2 busts is pretty dumb, in my opinion. Especially if those failures occurred during primary training. If you have someone who failed their PP and IR but then went on to pass their Commercial, CFI, and II first try as well as have a good pass-rate with their students, then what's the big deal? You're gonna red-flag a guy because he goofed up a steep turn and didn't enter a hold correctly over 5 years ago? Based on that, they can be accurately deemed un-safe and not hireable? Please.

To me it's not about making a mistake, it's about how you reacted after the mistake was made. Did you accept responsibility for it? Did you learn from it? Did it make you a better pilot in the long run? Did you end up turning that weakness into a strength? See what I mean?

The airlines can pick and choose right now because their is an over-abundance of supply and not too much demand. Once demand picks up, the requirements will lower (Don't they always?) and I bet the airlines will start to not really care as much about the subject.
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... and eventually someone will have an accident and the lawyers will all live happily ever after...
 
Mike H said:
... and eventually someone will have an accident and the lawyers will all live happily ever after...
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Where is the irrefutable evidence that having a checkride failure or two directly correlates to an increased likelihood of having an accident later on down the road? If there was, then there would be no discussion.
 
intern_mike said:
Failed ride at a 141 school = incomplete lesson. You never have to report it as a failed ride either.
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Wow!! You could not be any more wrong. If you fail an EOC which you could have received a certificate or rating at the end of that flight, then that is a busted check ride. You better disclose that on an airline app, because they will find out!!
 
Actually, as per the FAA approved 141 syllabus, the check ride is just the final lesson in that phase of training. A failed ride is no different than having an unsatisfactory lesson. You must go back up with your/another instructor for a remedial flight, or ground review if applicable, and get signed off again to re-take the failed lesson. It only counts as a failed lesson.
 
FDX8891 said:
Where is the irrefutable evidence that having a checkride failure or two directly correlates to an increased likelihood of having an accident later on down the road? If there was, then there would be no discussion.
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Very rarely in human cause accidents will you find "irrefutable evidence" of correlations. You do see trends, however:
http://www.ntsb.gov/recs/mostwanted/oversight-pilot-proficiency.htm
http://web02.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/05235p08.xml&headline=FedEx%20Crash%20Highlights%20Need%20to%20Correct%20Performance%20Deficiencies

Do you want a doctor operating on you who was in the bottom 5% of his/her graduating class, failed multiple portions of residency and failed his/her boards?
 
BTW, if I remember correctly the initial pilot record disclosure act came about in the 90's due to a problem with pilots failing multiple checkrides to include airline training, being hired at another airline, then having crashes. I think there was one in particular in NC... American feeder if I remember correctly. At the time due to privacy airlines would not find out until after a crash.
 
FDX8891 said:
Where is the irrefutable evidence that having a checkride failure or two directly correlates to an increased likelihood of having an accident later on down the road? If there was, then there would be no discussion.
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There isn't, but when has that ever stopped a lawyer- or even slowed one down?
 
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